Abercrombie & Fitch Co. (and similar), knife sllers back when?

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Hello... I have read in a few places that Abercrombie & Fitch, and similar companys, at one time (before becoming yuppie and PC) were knife sellers, handling such names as Scagel and Randall.
I'd like to learn more about this part of knife history, but I really do not know where to begin... are there an ybooks I should pick up, web-sites I should visit, or what?


TIA :)
 
I think A&F was originally a serious outfitter for sportsmen, as was Eddie Bauer, LLBean.
 
I worked for Abercrombie & Fitch in NY for a couple of years after college in 1975 and 1976. (It went Chapter 11 after that and that was the end of the original business.)

I worked as a mountaineering and backpacking consultant and I can tell you that the breadth of high end equipment they had was second to none. From ropes and 'biners to incredible custom knives, fishing gear and shotguns.

It was a great place to hobnob with some of the world's most famous people and it's sad to see how the name has become associated with something totally unrelated to what it stood for for so many years.

I imagine that some history can be found online via google searches and books available at your local library.

Here's some info I copied off the net:

Did you know…that the Abercrombie & Fitch on Water Street provided President Theodore Roosevelt with equipment for his African Safari in 1908?

Founded in 1892 by David T. Abercrombie, the waterfront store was dedicated to selling the highest-quality camping, fishing and hunting gear. In 1900, Ezra Fitch, a devoted customer, convinced Abercrombie to let him buy part of the company. By1904, the store name was officially changed to Abercrombie & Fitch. However, tempers flared between the two men over the future of the business, and in 1907 the more conservative Abercrombie resigned. A determined innovator, Ezra Fitch evolved the company into the largest sporting goods store in the world.

Abercrombie & Fitch has outfitted famous clients including Ernest Hemingway, Robert Peary, Amelia Earhart, Howard Hughes, the Duke of Windsor and Presidents Taft, Harding and Kennedy. Today, Abercrombie & Fitch is a popular retailer of casual clothing and accessories for young men and women with stores nationwide and markets directly to customers through a quarterly catalog and website.
 
Here's a more thorough history captured off the net:

The brand was established in 1892 and became known as a supplier of rugged, outdoor gear.

In 1892 Abercrombie & Fitch began under the name David T. Abercrombie Co., a small waterfront shop and factory in downtown New York City owned by David Abercrombie.

David Abercrombie, born and raised in Baltimore, Maryland, was a former trapper, prospector, topographer and railroad surveyor. He was also an inventor, an ingenious designer of tents, rucksacks and other camping equipment. It was his love of the great outdoors that inspired him to begin Abercrombie & Co., a shop dedicated to selling only the highest-quality camping, fishing and hunting gear. His clientele consisted mostly of professional hunters, explorers and trappers. And a man named Ezra Fitch.

Ezra Fitch was a successful lawyer in Kingston, New York. Restless and thoroughly bored with his life of law, Fitch spent all of his free time trekking the slopes of the Adirondacks and casting flies into the streams of the Catskill. In his search for exceptional outdoor gear, he had come to rely upon David Abercrombie's shop, becoming one of its most devoted customers.

He was so devoted, in fact, that in 1900 he had convinced David Abercrombie to let him buy into the business and become a partner. By 1904, the shop (which by now had moved to 314 Broadway) was incorporated and the name was officially changed to Abercrombie & Fitch.

Both David Abercrombie and Ezra Fitch were stubborn, hot-tempered men, and they had vastly different views about the future of their business. Abercrombie was more conservative, content to continue the store as it was, selling professional gear to professional outdoorsmen. Fitch, on the other hand, was more of a visionary. He was positive that the future of the business lay in expansion, selling the outdoors and its delights to more of the general public. Long arguments between the two men ensued. Inevitably, the partnership came to an end, and David Abercrombie resigned in 1907.

In the meantime, the store continued to expand. Ezra Fitch was a determined innovator. As a result of his imagination, hard work and sheer force of will, what he created was no ordinary sporting goods shop. Fitch was determined that the store have an outdoor feeling. Stock was not hidden behind glass cabinets. Instead, it was displayed as if in use. He set up a tent and equipped it as if it were out in the middle of the wilds of the Adirondacks. A campfire blazed in one corner, where an experienced guide was always in attendance, imparting valuable information to interested customers.

The clerks hired at A&F were not professional salesmen, but true rugged outdoorsmen. Talking was their pleasure and selling was performed only at the customers' insistence. By 1913, the store moved to a more fashionable and easily accessible midtown address just off Fifth Avenue, expanding its inventory to include sport clothing. A&F became the first store in New York to supply such clothing to women as well as men.

Shortly after Abercrombie's resignation from the company, A&F began publishing a catalog. This impressive book featured 456 pages of outdoor gear and clothing as well as sage camping, hunting and fishing advice to 50,000 prospective customers around the world. Orders soon began to flood in from around the globe, bringing international status to the ever-expanding store.

By 1917, Abercrombie & Fitch moved to Madison Avenue and 45th Street, where it occupied an entire twelve story building. Outside a sign proclaimed "Where the Blazed Trail Crosses the Boulevard." Abercrombie & Fitch had become the largest sporting goods store in the world, as well as the most impressive. A log cabin was built on the roof, which Fitch used as a townhouse. Next to it he had a casting pool installed, where serious fishermen could sample the store's impressive collection of rods and flies. In the basement, an armored rifle range was set up. There was also a golf school, a floor dedicated solely to completely set-up camps, and a dog and cat kennel. In addition to the more standard types of outdoor goods, A&F had a selection of exotic sporting equipment that would make the imagination reel: hot air balloons, yachting pennants, portable trampolines, treadmills for exercising dogs, throwing knives, shirts of chainmail, leopard collars, and everything a person could possibly need for falconry.

Abercrombie & Fitch outfitted many great hunting and exploration expeditions, like Theodore Roosevelt's trips to Africa and the Amazon and Robert Peary's expedition to the North Pole. Ernest Hemingway bought his guns there. Presidents Hoover and Einsenhower relied on A&F for the best fishing equipment. Other famous clients included Amelia Earhart, Presidents Taft, Harding and Kennedy, the Duke of Windsor, Bing Crosby, Howard Hughes, Katharine Hepburn, Greta Garbo and Clark Gable. And there was more: Cole Porter ordered his evening clothes from Abercrombie & Fitch. During Prohibition, A&F was the place to buy hip flasks.

By 1928, Ezra Fitch retired from the business to enjoy his remaining few years in the great outdoors that he loved so much.

Abercrombie & Fitch continued to grow, with stores opening up in Chicago and San Francisco. But by the late '60s the store hit upon hard times and went bankrupt in 1977. Oshman's Sporting Goods, based in Houston, Texas, bought the company. Business wasn't good. The Limited Inc. bought Abercrombie & Fitch in 1988.





Makes me miss my old buddies who worked there. I still have a few knives and pieces of equipment from my days at that fine establishment.
 
Blues, thanks a lot for your information. Sounds like one heck of a fine place when it was the original business... too bad that had to end.
If you could tell me, what custom knives were handled, at least on the most regular basis, when you worked there? or what stands out the most to you? Any good stories from your days there?
 
Yes they did sell high end handmade knifes before they where called customs, seen a few Abercrombie & Fitch Scagel's for sale of late, they were made just for them and there sheaths were marked A&F i believe.

James
 
Satin,

To be honest I wasn't into custom knives back then and the few knives I have from the store are Case, Puma and E.J. Coles. (If I only knew then what I know now!)

Stories? Yeah, lots. Some involving celebs like Jackie O, Jack Nicklaus, Katherine Hepburn, Roy Scheider, Tricia Nixon, Lillian Hellman, Mary Hemingway, etc. etc. and some just because... ;)

One of these days...
 
I worked in NYC around 1973/4 and used to go to A&F on my lunch hour to drool. God, that was a great store. I really don't remember the knives but I do remember the guns.

Yeah, that guy Loveless sold knive there. WOW!! In the book "LIVING ON THE EDGE" he tells a great story about A&F.

Win
 
My dad used to take me to A&F back in the late sixties and early seventies. He shopped there quite a bit, as he worked in the city. I still have quite a bit of old A&F stuff around, for example a tube of gun cleaning patches with the A&F logo and a set of stag horn handled steak knives with the logo on the blades. What an awesome store that was.
 
Where I heard (read) this, I don't remember, but Loveless went into a A&F to buy a Randall. They were out-he went home/made a knife on a coal stove/returned to store and began selling knives to A&F. I kind of hope it's a true story-but wouldn't bet on it. That was one hell of a store.
 
Pre 1970's "Herters" catalogs were interesting, not only did they sell product, they were filled with anecdotes, stories, tips,instructions and opinions that were informative and entertaining.
 
Thanks for the info guys... given me some places to start looking and learning. Its much appreciated. :)


hmmm... perhaps I should try and locate some of the old A&F and Herters catalogs... add that quest to my quest for original Bannermans catalogs. Eeeks... too much old stuff I want.
I wasnt even alive then and I miss the "good old days", good knives, good weapons, good Soldier of Fortune magazines, good companies, good values.
 
I can't believe A&F has degenerated to a fad clothing shop selling most likely sweatshop made **** to the spoiled high schoolers for bo coup $$$. I just don't like the image and attitude they represent now.

oh yeah... knives are cool :p
 
Hello all,
Here's a story that will get you going! In or around 1980 I purchased a knife from a pipe dealer that he described as "made up from parts". It turned out to be a Scagel with the A&F sheath (marked Scagel), both in very nice condition. What I remember most about the knife was how good it felt in the hand and how sharp it was!!!!!! Good grief you could cut yourself with it just looking at it! I had it for about 6 months and a fellow came over to purchase one of my guns and saw the Scagel. He asked me if I would be willing to sell it. I pulled out my trusty Levine's Book Of Knives (1979) and if memory serves me it was listed at $375-$400.00. The man offered me $450,00 and I was a happy camper. Three months later a friend called and said "you sold the Scagel" and I said, how do you know. It seams the knife ended up at a sporting auction and went for $2800.00...From what I gathered back then Scagel had a pretty hot side and told A&F he was not a leather smith and stopped making sheaths. I was told by another collector that Scagel only made 7 sheaths for A&F with his name on them............. To this day I still regret selling that knife, it fit my hand perfectly!!!!!!!!!! Take care and God bless
 
This makes me sick.
To hear of a time where such a yuppie store sold outdoor gear.
And to see now that they have become.

No offense when I said "yuppie store". I'm sure some of you folks wear the clothes.
 
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