Another item on Ebay

waynorth

waynorth

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I received an email from "Randy" at
w5rwu@charter.net regarding this knife on ebay;
item number 150004929945 .
He asked me for help getting ebay to do something about the "scam". I, at this point, subscribe to the point of view that we inform each other here, but do not communicate with the seller or Ebay re; the various scams that occur. We only teach the scammers how to do a better job. If you want to buy Schrades, join the forum and educate yourself!! We should monitor the sellers of course.
I welcome comments on this, as it is a multi-faceted problem!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150004929945&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D150004929945%26fvi%3D1
 
Randy is a fine man, if he wasn't, he would not have brought this to your attention. But I agree with you, Waynorth... and I agree with BR Levine who advises us to stay out of ebay business between bidder and seller.

Interferring in the auction process at ebay is no different than stepping between buyer and seller at a knife show and queering a deal. Plus, it can get you canned from ebay. And you will not find the buyer, or bidders, in the least bit grateful. And finally, guess what, it can get you sued. Not saying you will be dragged to court, but there has been legal precedent set for libel on public web forums.

It is not a crime or sin of omission to sit back and see a seller like that (he has been mentioned here before) peddle his falsely advertised goods to the unsuspecting (and not do anything about it). I say that because we are here, standing ready to assist if we are asked to. The knife world is filled with good honest people who are anxious to help new collectors or old ones avoid a mistake. It is the buyer's responsibility to research what is is spending his money on.

Just my opinion and I can sleep at night just fine.

Phil
 
As I have posted before, I know little about folders, having collected fixed blades. BUT, I would venture a guess, that the problem is the LB7 on the wrong side?
 
THanks guys Northway you have very good point about this will only teach the scammers how to do a better job. I didnt think about that . these knifes where sold a few weeks ago on a show
that comes on mondays& friday . I did ask questions to seller with no response!Maybe next time i will leave it alone.The info that blade forum has to offer is FIRST CLASS and so are you guys
Thanks W5RWU
 
Mountainwind,

The real problem is that it wasn't made made at the Schrade factory in the U.S.A.
I guess I could say that the Certificate of Authenticity is not Authentic...but, there is some kind of oxymoron or conundrum in that statement anyway. :rolleyes: :grumpy:

Bill
 
Well, sorta. The problem is a chinese LB7 being sold with aq certificate of authenticity stating that it was a final production run knife from Ellenville, New York U.S.A.

IF you are in the market for a nice LB7 (or any other genuine Schrade for that matter), take the time to compare the details of at least a dozen or so, on eBay if nowhere else. I believe the USA Schrade LB7 has been posted here beaucoup times, and a review describes the imported knife as well.

This is the ISC factory photo of the LB7.


Note also that with limited editions, SFOs, commemoratives, etc. the tangstamps and scales changed somewhat, but almost always the stamp includes USA.

Here is a review of the chinese LB7 with side-by-side pics with the real knife.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382756&highlight=LB7+Review

Codger
 
Just to keep the related information on the same page, take a look at the forum page of a few weeks ago.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409043

also looking at the e-bay page of the knife mentioned above, 150004929945,
cannot see if the knife even has the china mark, which most of the recent Taylor made schrade products have been stamped, is this another way of trying to confuse the knife collecting public, anyone know if they have left off the china inscription fromrecent knives?
 
Yes, the chinee etch may well have been a part of the first production run embelishment. I have seen some without it. This seller states the knife is a USA Schrade, but shows a chinese knife. And the now-proven-worthless certificate of duplicity.

Codger
 
I have seen these new buffalo schrades, they etch china back of blade.Someone is bufflng the etch off.
 
There must be a government agency that should be made aware of this blatant scam!! I for one praise whistle blowers, especially when it comes to preserving U.S. jobs and industry. The U.S. economy is in deep sh*t as it is without greedy distributors diluting it even further with this crap. It's time it was stopped, and/or the bribed officials weeded out!
My$.02
 
I think this is not on a large scale.It is bad any fraud happens in collecting.On large scale fraud check the winchesters-gerber at wal-mart the china ones are not mark on blades at all.I was told this is illegal
 
It's not a 165 blade, which might be why it wasn't stamped. Could be something they just threw together at the last moment.
 


I've seen this done to several patterns. May be "what if" musings by the Buley
brothers, Harold and Barry. The bladestock is a 160 though, not 165. Look at the flat grind.

Here is a 15OT done up in a similar fashion:



Codger
 
If you doubt whether these scammers are making money,look at this completed auction of price+link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SCHRADE-WALDEN-...638737324QQcategoryZ48820QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If he got a wholesale price from SMKW,he might have made $45 on this item alone.
As I recall,this ad was discussed before.
Sooner or later,he'll sell to someone who'll file a complaint with the Attorney-General of his home state.:D
There are many scammers selling chinese/bear repro's now.
I've got too much to do,and too little time left,to get into a sweat about it.

Ron
 
Still trying to learn the ins and outs. I would say that if made in 1960, it should have said Schrade/walden, not just Walden?
 
Codger_64 said:
I've seen this done to several patterns. May be "what if" musings by the Buley
brothers, Harold and Barry. The bladestock is a 160 though, not 165. Look at the flat grind.

Codger
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Thanks Codger,
I thought it was probably something like that. It is amazing how little work it takes to regrind a knife and make a whole new knife.

Dale
 
For those of you who didn't understand my reference, the Buley brothers were very talented sample makers at ISC for many years. One of them is now deceased.


Codger
 
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