Balisong Online?

If you are refering to this page

Then I just checked it moments ago and it seems to be working. While I did not spend any time there, when it was first brought to my attention and I did go there, I found it of limited content. Perhaps they've added on.

Timmy, I believe this is what your looking for,

The last time I check the site was up but I don't know what happen maybe you got the wrong URL. I've tried exchanging e-mail with the guy. He is base in the Philippines. He even ask me to ask if any one is interested to become a dealer or distributor of his balisong knives. But I don't think that would work out since it's illegal to import balisong. The balisong his selling looks nice and has an interesting blade tang design. It even has a certificate of authenticity. Chuck, check it out since I know you love balisong like I do. Hope this helps.

[This message has been edited by Rommel (edited 12 July 1999).]
I tried it. It works for me. But, I found no instruction on manipulation. I think it would be hard to prepare such a site without resorting to massive mpegs. If you take, for example, one of Mr. Imada's classic books, there's several hundred photographs in one of those books. That would add up to a very large web site.

If you'll search back for our most recent Butterfly knife thread, I comment on a video tape I recently got. That same tape is up on again.

The history given on this site is a bit interresting. I've heard more histories of butterfly knives than you can imagine. This guy dates the knive to 1905, but I have a Spanish one with a tang stamp of 1901. Granted, that's not necessarily the year of manufacture, but I've always assumed it is. We need Danny in here.

Keep in mind that the Filipino combative arts with which the Bali-Song is often associated are strongly influenced by Spanish stylings and that the Phillippines were under various degrees of Spanish control for quite some time.

But, that is an interresting site anyway. Thanks for pointing it out.

BTW, I am now told rather authoritatively that it is now legal to import butterfly knives.


[This message has been edited by Gollnick (edited 13 July 1999).]
My mistake. As I went back to more throughly study this page, I noticed that there are some small links along the top, one of which is on techniques. They've used Acrobat to compress it. Limited, but nice stuff. The site was running reasonably quickly too. He promises more updates weekly too. Something to keep an eye on.

Hi Folks! Try to go back to my
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Sorry! sometimes my ISP is down.
I will be putting more updates

Hello Chuck!

I'm in... Now what's this all about? Oh... balisongs..
I believe what Mr. Palacio posted, is that Mr. Perfecto de Leon is tagged as the "father" of the balisong, as far as the Philippines is concerned. It does not claim that he invented the balisong.

Since our country (Philippines) was under the influence of the Spaniards for 400 years, I would not be surprised if the balisong started out there in Spain. Since we have a town called Balisong in Batangas, it may also have originated from the Spanish Conquistadores (sp?), much like our main city, Manila, used to be called Maynilad, or the name Philippines itself, from a certain King Phillip?? duh...

I haven't been able to visit the town yet, and take the videos and do some interviews like I originally planned, due to my hectic racing schedules lately (yep, I race cars). But once I get a break, I'll do that pronto.

Chuck, can you show us a pic of that knife you were mentioning earlier? the 1901 balisong? I'm really interested in looking at it, even if it's only in pics.

What we need here, is someone who's well educated with the bladed weapons of the past, and their origins. I personally don't believe that the Balisong originated from the Philippines. Much like anything else here, it's due to influence from the past.

Hmmm... this would really give me a good reason to try and find out anything I can about these bladed weapons.

I would like to hear Mr. Palacio's view on this one, though.

For what it's worth, Batangas sounds like an irregular form of the Spanish words;

batallar: battle or fight

batallo'n: battalion(reference to garisson?)

In Levine's Guide to Knife Values, I read that balisongs actualy developed in France in the late 1800's. There were several fighting megafolders in use throughout Europe from as far back as at least the 15th century.

Then again, I have heard about a billion different versions of how FMA and the balisong came to be. Isn't there any documented proof of something one way or the other? I mean, fight manuals have been common in the West for centuries, isn't there a Philipino equivalent?
Hmmm.. fighting manuals... Well, these things were passed down from generation to generation, by word of mouth alone, unfortunately.


How nice to see you've joined us.

If you also follow rec.knives, you may have seen my thread on photographing knives. I'm really learning a lot from the experts there. So, I'm excited to get busy and try to improve my photographs.

The only photo I have of the one in question (I photograph all of them when they enter the collection) doesn't show the marking well. Some of the tips I've recently received are on how to get those markings to show up more. So, that one will be high on my list for a new picture.

The handles are brass and made very much in the traditional Filipino way, a piece of bent brass sheet stock with bolsters attached by brass pins. The bolsters are also solid brass. So, it's not a very ornate knife. But, it's been a favorite of mine because I believe it be historically significant. The marking on the blade reads Espana MCMI. MCMI is Roman numeration for 1901. The use of Roman numerals is usually associated with dates. I bought it at a yard sale for $25. The woman had several knives which said had belonged to her son who she had not seen nor heard from in about ten years (a sad story), and she was selling all of his stuff as she was now moving. I have always said that if he were to return and adequately describe the knifes, I would return them to him. I actually have three of his knives.

A friend of mine has been wanting me to buy his scanner, so that he can upgrade. It's a very nice scanner that scans negatives and slides at 3500dpi and gives 30-bit color files. The new one he wants gives 36-bit colors. So, maybe I'll have a very nice scanner to scan those photos in with soon.

Now, what a pleasure to have Mr. Palacio join us. Congratulations, sir, on a fine web site. I'm sorry that in my first comments I overlooked the techniques link. Your material is very nicely done. I'm looking foreward to your contributions.

The knive displayed for sale on his site is very attractive. His site gives no price but asks only for dealer inquires. Prehaps we can pursuade him to take a group order from the folks here. We could consolidate the order so that he only has to ship to one address, etc.

Here's another question:

I have heard that the phrase Bali Song means "good knife" and also that it means "rattling of horns" (a reference to the sound of the knife as it is manipulated). Now that we've got some real Tagalog speakers here, perhaps we can get this one cleared up quickly and authoratively.

Edgar Sulite and Jeff Imada cover the balisong pretty well. Imada shows in his manuals that many countries had the design.

Sulite states 'Bali'- Folding, 'Song' from Sungay- Horn.
Here is another page that gives instructions

This fellow's page is ellaborate and colorful. He says he's entirely self-taught, having never even cracked one of Mr. Imada's books. That's admirable, but it also means his terminology is unique. Fortunately, he gives good definitions and it's not difficult to pick up on what he's saying. He's got a lot of material here. It's quite a resource.


[This message has been edited by Gollnick (edited 15 July 1999).]
Smoke, that's what I was told, too, regarding the meaning of the word "Balisong".

Chuck, you sure love balisongs, don't you? hehehehe.

I admire you for that.

Wow, this place is great! Thanx Mr. Gollnick for pointing me in this direction, and the kind words about my page. I recently came up with some wild (at least to me) double bali stuff while on a meditative vacation. I'm hoping to add them to my page soon..... If I can get my computer to cooperate that is.

What a pleasure to have you. I'm glad you managed to locate the thread and get registered and everything.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Clay is the author of the aforementioned web site, if you didn't figure that out.

If you haven't checked out the site, I strongly suggest it. He's really put a lot of stuff on there. And if you haven't looked at Palacio's fine site, you should do that too, except for Clay who takes instruction from no one ;-), a self-taught switchblade artist.

At least that's what I've been called, "switchblade artist." Kind of a frightening term.

Yes, Danny, I do like butterfly knives very much. I like the very graceful and fluid way they move. I used to wonder if I was alone in this world. Thankfully, the Internet has shown me otherwise. And look now, we're collecting quite a great group of Bali Song enthusiasts here.

Oh, Clay, you might want to look back through the archives a bit. We've had some good Bali Song threads recently. Oh, and you'll want to watch out for our other guitarist and Bali Song enthusiast, Mr. Blues.

I've thought about double Bali stuff before, but have never worked any out. I want to do a double hand exchange where two knives are used, one in the left and one in the right. They are then exchanged in one move. I haven't got it figured out yet.


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