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Blasphemy, liking the new Umnumzaan pivot

Discussion in 'Chris Reeve Knives' started by Josh K, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Josh K

    Josh K Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    I just picked up a new-style Umnumzaan pivot. While I can agree the old pivot had some attractive stylistic qualities the new pivot is so much easier to disassemble. I think it fits better with the CRK ethos of simple hard-working tools.

    I remember when the Umnumzaan was released and the backlash over having to purchase a separate special tool to take it apart instead of it being straight out of the box. A $0.50 hex wrench vs. two milled Delrin pieces was the comparison if I recall correctly. Aesthetics over function in some minds. I don't think anyone would disagree it looked nice, but it did represent a deviation from how the Sebenza line was constructed.
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  2. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013
    I like the new style pivot also. I've got 4 Umnumzaan's and only one has the old pivot. Never have been a fan of big pivots on any knife.
  3. Steel_Addiction

    Steel_Addiction Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 10, 2011
    Thought I wanted the old style pivot, based on visuals, but after taking apart the new style vs the old style I think I do prefer the new style, just wish it didn't have the lockstop/stabilizer, but that is growing on me as well.
  4. mt666tm


    Nov 20, 2012
    I remember passing up a deal on an old pivot Zaan a year ago for this reason. I prefer simplicity and tool/hardware standardization with anything I do. When special tools are required things get complicated. I have a new pivot model myself.

    One of the many (MANY) reasons I do not like iPhones ... USB!!!

    That said, I used to rebuild vintage Triumph motorbikes before I had kids. Lots of special tools there, and I've got 'em all.
  5. Josh K

    Josh K Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    It is interesting to see the other changes over the years. The jimping and pivot are most obvious, but the more prominent lockbar, swedge for opposite thumb lug, and refinements to the blade shape all make the knife subtly different and new again.

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  6. Thin-Slice


    Jul 4, 2016
    I love the old pivot and honestly I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUSS IS ABOUT in terms of OLD PIVOT tool. It is super easy to make one yourself.

    Put a paper over the pivot and use a pencil sideways to mark out the outline of the circle and holes. Take a simply plain piece of wood, drill 2 holes (you really don't need 4) and place 2 nails. Round off the head of the nail and viola you have a pivot tool. Will show you the ones I made when I get home. Super easy and takes less than 5 minutes.

    OLD PIVOT gives a custom look to it since its kind off unique. Majority of folders out there use either a torx or hex pivot screw.
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  7. Thin-Slice


    Jul 4, 2016
    Here are some pictures

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  8. blanco112

    blanco112 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 1, 2016
    I like the looks of the old pivot and if I could find one at a good price I would get it, but not ready to pay $150+ more than I got my new pivot for.
  9. Josh K

    Josh K Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    I think you're right on the money here about the design. It's unique, large, immediately recognizable, and also a significant deviation from the Sebenza line. One could argue even with a special pivot it's more simplistic given elimination of the stop pin, pivot bushing, and the ceramic ball interface.
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  10. photoman12001

    photoman12001 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 23, 2008

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  11. rexromic

    rexromic Gold Member Gold Member

    May 28, 2011
    Had to post these pics but will eventually get the new pivot Zaan to compare with the old one :). 10974434_10155221716800204_2045390966314209999_o.jpg 11011992_10155678590350204_7247916418396441935_n.jpg 11351266_10155678593795204_4210570751016761605_n.jpg 11391172_10155678596040204_1359477961520541429_n.jpg
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  12. kidcongo


    Jan 12, 2013
    I like the way the new pivot looks on the Star Tac. Very clean lines.

    On the standard Umnum I don’t have a fave between the two. The old pivot is unique and adds “bling”, but the new pivot looks more utilitarian, which actually suits the purpose of the knife better.

    Too many knives to own in this life!
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  13. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Dazed and Confused Platinum Member

    May 3, 2011
    I prefer the old pivot on my regular Zaans, but not on my WC. But I really think that's a case not liking the way the WC feels in my hand, so just plain not liking it.

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  14. bhyde

    bhyde UNNECESSARY EVIL Staff Member Super Mod Moderator Platinum Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    O realy?
  15. Lone_Wolfe

    Lone_Wolfe Dazed and Confused Platinum Member

    May 3, 2011
    Yep. It's great to look at, my hand doesn't care for it.
  16. PeteyTwoPointOne

    PeteyTwoPointOne Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    White rings look classy!
  17. ESCA


    Jul 18, 2017
    I absolutely love the feel of the WC Old Pivot Knife in my hand. I think that it aggressively grips your hand with the sharp edges of the markings on the scales. I also like to swing the knife when closed, back and forth between my thumb and index finger.

    Ok, might be wierd, but aren’t we all:D:D:D
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  18. uofaengr

    uofaengr Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 9, 2014
    Back when I was going through my Umnum phase, I was new pivot all the way and one of the few that liked the looks of it better. Being able to use Allens to take down the knife was secondary but a plus for me.

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