Blast Match OR Strike Force

That is a good price on that strike Force. The biggest cost for these things is the metal match (sparker). The one used in these is I believe is 1/2" diameter by 2 1/2" long (1/2" lost in device). The plastic cost virtually nothing.

Our metal matches are 3/8" by 4" and without the plastic. The cost is similar when they are not on sell...(cost for amount of sparker).

I don't like the plastic part of either device listed here...however, I know a lot of people who don't mind...personal choice (some on this group who I am sure will voice their openion :>)).

I have always used sparkers that stood alone (16+ years)....guess I am getting old.

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I have a blast match and prefer it to the strike force because it is easy to use with one hand. That was the deciding factor for me. Just my 2 cents.
 
I have used and own the StrikeForce, have never used the blastmatch, the strike force works, and works well, I highly recomeend it.

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Lee

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Hi, I have the Gerber Strike Force since ages and it works perfectly, the only objection is if you stuff a half used "strike force tinder" cube in the "capsule" it looses it's efficiency to light rather quickly (evaporates some volatile stuff I think). Also the package is BIG and relatively heavy.
I wonder if some of you have ever tried the Sparklite Firestarter? it's extremely small also can be used with one hand and the cotton-isch tinder seems to ignite quickly without it loosing its ease to ignite as the strike force tinder cube does when not in it's sealed bag.
Cheers, Bagheera

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Hi Guys...

As with Greg I prefer the 1/2" rod and nothing but the rod,, but I could see where a one handed fire starting tool would really come in handy...

ttyle Eric...

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I like the BlastMatch but the earlier ones tended to break and when I loaned mine to someone it broke. Supposedly the new one has an improved tougher designed. It still leaves you with a big piece of artificial flint, even if the one handed part fails. It is guaranteed so when I get the new one, I'll know more.

There is some more info in this thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000004.html

I have a metal match on order from Greg. Since his has lasted him so long, it should easily last me the rest of my life, if it does not disappear.

What does everyone here think of the magnesium/flint combo bars? [Some people seem to be fans and others not.]
 
Hi Donald,

I don't care for the magnesium bars. It is a flash tinder and thus almost always has to be used with another tinder to hold a small flame long enough to light your small kindling. Thus...why bother... I mean if I have to prepare another tinder...

I had a SAR student last year who swore by the magnesium. I remember watching him work his buns off to get a small pile of it...he put a spark in the middle of it...and ... it lit. (Anyone ever poured gasoline on wood and then lit it? Well that's what it was like...huge flame up and quickly down...)

It took him longer than anyone to get his fire going. Primarily becouse he spent so much time working on a a tinder that couldn't stand alone.

This has been my experience...of watching students build fires for the last 16 years...magnesium is a waste of time in my openion...get a good tinder and use it.

Please...don't anyone use gasoline on wood!!!! You can get hurt bad!!! I was not advocating it...just an example!

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Greg,
Thank you for your explanation. Makes sense. One other compaint I read was that it is hard to accumulate a pile if it is windy.

I asked because I did read recently of someone liking them, perhaps because it gives you another option. In other words you do not have to use the magnesium part.

Would the magnesium help with damp tinder?
 
Hi All,

It might be me who listed the flint/Mg combo on the other thread as one of the 5 (actually 7) essentials to bring.

Here is my reasoning. Being a beginner with minimal experience/practical wilderness skills, I have found it usually easier to use the flint with Mg scrapings (as secondary tinder) to ignite a primary tinder which for some reason less than perfect. In these suboptimal conditions few (10) strokes on the Mg side with the knife can provide enough Mg on the top of the primary tinder to get things started.
I woud not -however- use as the only tinder (tried..and...failed).
Yes, it is difficult to handle in strong wind.
Yes, probably I could make better and more tinder and just leave Mg out and certainly will try to learn it.
Greg is absolutely right and I would be glad to have the same experience and skills. Now however it fills a niche for me in the life/death important issue of fire making.
I have not made a comparison on wet tinder between flint and flint+Mg. Has anybody?
Also, I would like to ask somebody more experienced about any difference between the different flints (more, bigger, hotter sparks) thinking of Greg's metal match vs. Strike Force vs. Blast Match vs. flint/Mg bars?
In worst case Mg can be still used as an antacid. (I will try to start a thread on it...)

Gotta go,
Best to All,

HM

PS: My current favourite: flint/Mg packed along with waterproofed petroleum jellied cotton balls.


 
KISS. I have a blast force. I will soon get some metal matches. I'll probably replace the tiny one the Boy Scouts sell that used to be on my keychain, merely because it's small, and I can carry it with me everywhere easily. I've used magnesium firestarters, and they are fun, and take a little less tinder gathering skills, and a little more time. It would be better, IMHO, to be able to gather good tinder from around you, but if having the magnesium makes you feel more comfortable in a survival situation, then carry it. And I will continue to carry one of my flutes into the woods as well. And I pray you have more success starting fires with your magnesium than I with my flute...
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I've not had much experience with the blast force, and none with the other plastic/metal combos, but I can say, In Alaska, I don't like the idea of mechanical fire starters, especially plastic ones. I've seen knives that have broken under normal use at 40 below, plastic is far worse. Pro's and Con's of my limited use of the Blast Force: I like the little striker, I don't have to dull my own blade, though I get better sparks, marginally, with my blade. I like the storage handle. I dislike the supplied tinder if it does lose some effectiveness outside it's little package. They should give you half a dozen if it does. I dislike the lid on the storage end, it pops off too easy, and the other end, not easy enough...
But it does start fires. A metal match might be more spark for my money, but if I die before I use one of them up, does it make a difference? With my apologies to those on-line I would like to support, I found the blast force here in Fairbanks, and the AAFES sports store can get the metal matches, if I buy them elsewhere, I have to pay postage.


Stryver
 
Thanks for the answer and please let me know when you compared the different starters.

If you guys think it is totally unreasonable to carry the extra Mg (as I said I haven't tried other metal matches), please let me know about a better proved match.

Stryver, good luck with the flute

HM


 
Hi Greg....

Did you read my post on magnesium ?
I tend to agree with you about it...Although I still use it a lot,, mostly to teach with because it is so widely available.

It can be a pain for sure. In some instances it does come in handy though and does help with wet tinder...

Now that I have a pound or so of it,,i only use the Doan tool for the flint...Amazing how a pile the size of a golf ball will blaze up...It doesn't flare up as well as the shaved magnesium,, this stuff tends to clump together,, burns much slower.. I've left many a nasty burn on a picnic table with it...

This brings to mind another interesting formulation... Thermite..

I see it sold at the gun shows,, but it looks more like powdered magesium to me...And is way expensive...

I seen a recipe awhile back for thermite made from aluminum dust and ferro oxide powder(rust)..

Can anyone confirm this and have a good recipe for Thermite ?

ttyle Eric...

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Stryver,

I start realizing that the number of flute players among survivalist is realtively high. (See 'Candoshi-Shapra Indians..' thread for reference.) Does it have some significance that I miss or simple coinsidence?

Normark,

See more on Thermite on 'The New Tinder Challenge' thread. Spark even names a book that I actually do not know. I also think that many of the 'How to make a bomb' kind of homepages should have it. I believe that ingredients should not be expensive.

Best,

HM

 
HM...

Thanks,,, headed there now....

ttyle Eric...

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The magnesium in the magnesium starters makes a nice handle for the flint, which is what I have bought them for. They're only $4 or $5 in some places.
 
HM,
I played the flute long before I began learning about keeping myself alive, and I'd not call my self a survivalist (sorry, I see it negatively used so often), merely an outdoors-type person interested in coming back alive all the time...
I think if there is a significance, it falls into the realm of keeping ones mind intact. In the times I've been out in the woods without a fixed goal, I need something to do. When alone, a flute is magnificent. Though I also make many more small camp-gadgets than I need, or are probably useful...
On a slightly psychological note, I think the flute is a very good solo instrument, and many of the folks you meet here are likely to be more introverted and stand-alone than your average person.


Stryver


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Not to spin off on topic drift, I'm happy with the Strike Force. Of course, there's an old fashioned Boy Scout cheat that uses an S.O.S. scrubbing pad (or steel wool) which catches fire quickly for the "improvised tinder" when using a magnesium bar. Just something I remember from the "old" days of being a scout.
 
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