Boker "Mass Produced" Bud Nealy Covert

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Bud Nealy Covert Knife by Boker

I just got the mass produced version of the Nealy Covert and it is nothing more than a glorified pearing knife. I've never seen the original design of this knife, but the pictures of the knife in the directions and color photos that came with the box bear little resemblence to the knife I got. The original design appears to be larger, has a different handle and different carrying case.

Mass produced copies of custom made knives are usually crap and this one is no exception. Don't get me wrong, the steel is good and sharp, it makes a good utility knife, but not the kind of knife I want to fight with. And for the price range of 50 to 75 dollars, this is to expensive to be a utility knife.

The magnetic case is cool. A nifty thing to do is to take the knife sheathed in its case. Hold the knife sheathed and flick it hard. The force will propel the sheath forward. The sheath can be thrown fast and you can get some good distance with it. You can pass the time at the mall by throwing the case around while you are waiting for your woman to buy some clothes.

I would defnitley not recommend this knife for any reverse grip junkies out there. The blade is to short for reverse grip and most of the carry positions do not lend themselves well to be drawn smoothly with reverse grip.

My recommendation: Buy it if you don't like carrying folders. The knife's chief advantage comes from being able to carry it different positions with the sheath.
 
"Mass produced copies of custom made knives are usually crap and this one is no exception."

I could name many "mass produced" custom copies that aren`t crap. I`d have a harder time thinking of ones that are crap! I agree with your assessment of the Boker, it isn`t worth the $ they ask for it. I wouldn`t paint the rest of the custom colaboration market with the same broad brush.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mauser:
Bud Nealy Covert Knife by Boker

You can pass the time at the mall by throwing the case around while you are waiting for your woman to buy some clothes.

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WTF? Throwing the case around at the mall? Is it just me or would that seem to be an extremely bad way to represent your fellow knife enthusiusts.(sp)?



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Brian
The first knife was probably used to cut stuff.
 
Heh, I think it's safe to say Mauser was making the point that the sheath system isn't secure, in a sarcastic manner. Thanks for the comments, Mauser. Other than the sheath system, and your concerns about reverse grip, any other issues with this as a defensive carry knife? Out of curiosity, have you handled Nealy's custom versions? I'm trying to get a feel for whether you dislike the entire concept, or just Boker's execution.


Any other views on this knife?

Joe
 
Mauser- the criticisms of the Boker Nealy appear to be "defects" that would be apparent in a cursory examination. Did you look at this knife, or handle it at all before you purchased it?

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I did a review of this same knife here on this forum some time ago. If you search you will find it. On the whole I have to agree with Mauser... I like the flat ground blade, but the over-all effect is very cheap - especially the plastic handle - and probably dangerous as a fighting knife because the grip on the handle is not very secure and the hand can all to easily slide up on the blade.

I thought the sheath system was the best part of this package, but not so great that I'd spend the money over again, that's for sure! I use mine as a pairing knife, but I agree its way too expensive given the execution...
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by matthew rapaport:
... and probably dangerous as a fighting knife because the grip on the handle is not very secure and the hand can all to easily slide up on the blade.

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Examining just the pictures assured me I didn't need to own the production version... I'm with Matt here ... no guard means this is not a serious defensive knife for me personally.


Nealy's MCS is very innovative. Not everyone will find it the ultimate, but for me, on the occasions where I have to wear a sport coat or suit, one of Nealy's 3-1/2" Pesh Kabz (easily my favorite Nealy design) is my carry of choice, with knife suspended securely enough, in my experience, upside down from my inside sport coat/suit coat pocket. Pretty discrete... beats clipping a tac folder to wool pants or having a big folder weighing down and buried in my front pocket. Although I don't sit around and practice timing fast draws armchair-commando style, you can draw Pesh Kabz quickly compared with a folder in similar position.

The production version of the MCS may be lacking (I never checked sheath retention after noting uninspiring steel and no finger guard), but the custom one is fine for me.

(money where my mouth is: RJ Martin's Kozuka is a nifty blade, allows same sort of carry, but I've asked him to build up a turks head knot at blade/handle junction on my Kozuka order for this reason. I like the oriental knife look, but not the lack of guards, despite the grippy handle wrap technique. Bob Lum does some great looking oriental flavored knives with guards also...).


[This message has been edited by rdangerer (edited 03-11-2001).]
 
I really can not agree with Mauser.

You have to look at the reason/purpose behind a design before passing judgement or comment.

Is a small backup pistol the best combat handgun? - ofcourse not because it was designed as a backup weapon.

The Nealy is not a primary fighting knife (and I do not think the maker designed it as such), it is a backup weapon and it is very good for this purpose. It is light, has a very nice carry system, it can be carried in the inside pocket of a jacket (especially suit or similar) and accessed very fast that way (I dont know of another system, except the custom version that gives similar performance).

I had a custom version and I have a Boker version - the custom is better but the Boker is very good at about 1/3 rd the price.

The Boker/Nealy excells as a backup or third or fourth knife especially carried inside a jacket.

For me personally, I am in good enough company with this evaluation to justify my using it (Mike Janich, Kelly Worden, Greg Walker etc).



[This message has been edited by Deon (edited 03-12-2001).]
 
I'd have to go with mauser on this one. I got the cheaper Escort. I love the MCS system but the knife was uncomforable to hold as it was too thin/small in my hands and had little grip on it. I stabbed at some cardboard and lightly at some soft pine, wouldn't want to do it to anything hard cause my hand would slip up and cut me up. I did carry it around as a neck knife a lot because it was a convenient low profile fixed blade. I assume the more expensive models are different, but retention was deceptively good. As in it seemed good but somehow It fell out of the sheath and I lost it during a normal work day.
 

I think the biggest weak point of the knife is the handle. I would agree that without a guard, the knife hand could slip and get cut if the Boker Nealy hit a hard surface like bone. I have never handled the real Nealy. The instructions and pictures that come with the box show the real Nealy sheathed and the handle appears to have a larger handle and blade. I had some extra cash on hand and ordered the Boker Nealy sight unseen. I was curious because I had had some good things about the concept of the Nealy.

If I had handled the knife before buying it, I would not have bought it. But this is personal preference. I think the Boker version would work as a concealable backup knife, especially if someone does not want to carry a folder as a back up.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Deon:
The Nealy is not a primary fighting knife (and I do not think the maker designed it as such), it is a backup weapon and it is very good for this purpose.

The Boker/Nealy excells as a backup or third or fourth knife especially carried inside a jacket.

For me personally, I am in good enough company with this evaluation to justify my using it (Mike Janich, Kelly Worden, Greg Walker etc).
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1. The point is, if this is a backup weapon for you, there are better backup weapons available.

2. 3rd or 4th knife????? Wow. Tough part of town.

3. Do you really need "company" of published knife writer's to make you feel comfortable in your evaluation and your continued use? I'm plenty comfortable in my evaluation without ever having read, or caring, what those guys think IF they even evaluated the production version. Yeah, yeah, they have all that experience backing them up.

I know that, for me, the custom Pesh Kabz is so far superior (to me) for twice the price that there is no compromise to make.

Problem is, often, but not always, those writers get PAID to evaluate a particular knife. And woe to the PAID writer who has anything negative to say about a paying advertiser (Boker). They won't get the offer to write unless they tread lightly.

Caveat Emptor. Sometimes ya gotta read between the lines in reviews.


[This message has been edited by rdangerer (edited 03-12-2001).]
 
rdangerer

your (1): not for the way the Nealy can be carried hanging from the inside breast pocket of a jacket(and here I refer to the Boker version for the price and availability, especially where I am) (I stand to be corrected)

your (2): what do you know about where I live, what I do and what my circumstances are

Your (3): did I say anything about "evaluated", "knife writers" or "reviews"

Maybe you read between the lines to much or read to much between the lines - I dont know.


[This message has been edited by Deon (edited 03-14-2001).]
 
I may be wrong but I thought I saw the knife in two versions--one with 440c blade with G10 or cocobolo handle (the better one) and one with some unknown steel with plastic handle (looked like a cheap steak knife). If we're talking about the latter version, I can see why a knife enthusiast would be highly disappointed with the product.
 
Toothed

mine is the one with the 440C blade and cocobolo handle. I find it a well finished and fitted production knife.
 
I just got the Boker/Nealy Specialist and from my short acquaintance I believe that it is a fine little hideaway. Not knowing the Nealy Covert, I cannot compare the Specialist with it. Mine, however, does have a case/sheath with a magnet in it. By the way, what is the practical purpose of this magnet? I'm sure there must be one, but it's lost on me... Just curious.

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