Boot Knieves - self defence

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I'm looking for a boot knife with a blade under 4 inches which is under $50 CAD (About $30 USD). This is for a last resort self-defence usage. Something I can carry easily would be ideal.

I've seen this knife (Linked below) but that's one of the few I've seen in my price range. Any help would be great.

http://www.knifeworks.com/product.asp?3=1661
 
I would consider the Camillus Arclite as the right size and a high value. I would enhance the handle by wrapping and weaving 1/8" cord around and through the handle. For enhanced grip I would put a little rosin or beeswax on the cord. This blade design will slash more effectively than a narrow double-edge design. With a blade under 6" long I would figure that slashing is much more effective than thrusting. I would optimize slashing.
 
Is there any particular type of cord to use? I assume you mean a rope like cord (Made of hemp or similar?). And should it the beeswax be a light, medium or heavy coating, how would you apply it?

Thanks
 
I'm a big fan of 'boot knives', and while some of these are out of your stated price range, I'd suggest that you take a look at...

(and in no particular order)

A.G. Russell's 'Sting' which can be found, along with many other high quality reasonably priced boot knives at http://www.agrussell.com/

Fallkniven's G1 'Garm'...

Paragon's version of Tommy Lee's version of Bob Loveless's original boot knife design...

Gerber's MK I...

Randall Made Knives model #24, or non-catalog 'Gambler'...

Anything along those lines will help keep you safe...for the rest of your life.

Hope that helps...

Mel
 
I had one of the Camillus boot knives you linked to once, and it wasn't a bad knife for the money. I had the one with the Kydex sheath though, and it left a lot to be desired. The leather version may be better though, especially if you're planning to actually carry it in a boot. The Arclite is nice too, but again the sheath is somewhat sub-par. If you can find a retail location to get one where you could see the knife before you buy you may have better luck finding a good sheath.
 
Wholesale Hunter has CS Safekeeper IIs for $33. I wear one around the top of my Danner Arcadia on patrol. I made a strap with webbing and velcro and cinch it over my boot. It does not come loose. Easy to reach while seated in the car or groundfighting. Not to mention the effect it would have when someone had you in a front bear hug and you started pumping that bad boy into their femoral artery. Hard to knock out of your hand too. Plus the knife is just bad ass.
 
Bend over and pull it out after you jam your thumbs into their eye gates and skull f*ck them.
 
Mike come to my AO and I will show you. If you go to your pistol first to combat a bearhug you are watching too many movies.
 
I guess I'm confused. If you get free enough to bend over and draw a boot knife, why not just draw a pistol? Assuming you have now gouged out the eyes of your assailant, you should have plenty of time. Do those tactics play well with juries in your AO? I can just hear a prosecuting attorney asking, "You severed his femoral arteries after you gouged out his eyes, didn't you"? Where do you work, by the way? I want to stay away from there, sounds dangerous.
 
The thread was about boot knives not about police officers with boot knives. This is Bladeforums right. I teach use of force so my spin on it would be. Is their a differance between shooting someone to death and stabbing him to death. Whey would you do either if his eyes were gone if you did not have too? Maybe you are trying to retain your gun with your strong hand while drawing you boot knife from your ankle as our officers are taught. I do not want to turn this into a pissing contest. I was just giving my two cents in reference to a bear hug defense. BTW what training have you had with H2H,edged weapons and firearms?
 
When I talk about using beeswax on cord I am talking about using a cake of wax. This is an old way of treating bow strings. I would generally use nylon cord, but almost anything (including heavy string or twine would work). I have even used insulated wire to wrap handles. Take a cake of beeswax and run it up and down your cord until the cord feels tacky to the touch all over. Afterwards do your handle wrapping. There is no particular amount of wax required. It will tend to pickup some dirt. If it gets too dirty was it our replace it.

If your boot knife is on the outside of your ankle all you have to do to reach it is bend your knee and raise your foot backwards close to your thigh. You bring the knife to your hand. BTW I particularly like the design of a push dagger like the Safe Keeper. It is very secure in the grip. They are bulkier and harder to conceal than some boot knives.
 
Originally posted by mercop
The thread was about boot knives not about police officers with boot knives. This is Bladeforums right. I teach use of force so my spin on it would be. Is their a differance between shooting someone to death and stabbing him to death. Whey would you do either if his eyes were gone if you did not have too? Maybe you are trying to retain your gun with your strong hand while drawing you boot knife from your ankle as our officers are taught. I do not want to turn this into a pissing contest. I was just giving my two cents in reference to a bear hug defense. BTW what training have you had with H2H,edged weapons and firearms?
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I like your attitude and your proposed response, sounds like something out of Krav Maga. One should never forget that fighting is not clean cut like in the movies, it is ugly and the only rule should be who walks away, regardless of what you have to do to the bad guy to be able to walk away - if they are walking up to you and putting you in a bear hug in an effort to damage or take advantage of you they fully deserve to get their eyes gouged and their throat slit.

Just my 0.02

Take care & stay safe
 
Simonp- thanks for the back up bro. Right now I am cross belting in Ju Jistu and Judo (daugher is state champ and I like helping out). In June I will begin to tinker with Kempo. I have not been exposed to Kraw Maga but it sounds cool. My blade stuff is OSS and Filipino. If it works it is not stupid. Judo is sport but if I am put into a front bearhug there is a throw that will break both of your arms. That ain't sport.
 
Mercop,

Not a problem. Ju Jitsu and Judo eh, sounds like a good but tough training regimen. I really need to devote more time to ground work myself it is a weak spot in my training unfortunately. I would be curious to hear more about your blade stuff, i.e. from the OSS, is there someone out there still teaching the old stuff from the military or are you self taught from texts? I am trying to pick up some of the military moves from a couple of fellow students who are or have been in the military, both U.S. and Israeli. I love to have effective options that are tried and true.

Simon
 
Shodan in Kodenkan Danzan-Ryu Jujitsu. Weapons training courtesy of the U.S. Army. I've qualified Expert with M-16, M-1911 (yeah, I'm that old), M-9. I'm sorry if I misunderstood your point. When you said that you wore a boot knife on patrol, I assumed you were a police officer.
 
Mike, I am a police officer. When I comment on a situation on an open forum I do not assume that everyone is in position to carry a pistol. For the same reason at times when I am prohibited from carrying my sidearm, blades are the primary hardware. Beware of the dangerous man not his dangerous weapons.
 
Valiant,

The knife you posted is ok, but the shath it comes woth is crap. If you can get the leather one in the picture that is good. The plastic one sucks.
 
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