boys murder professors with 12" commando knives

That was first reported a while back. As for them buying a commando knife over the net, would it make anyone feel better if they had bought a kitchen knife from a Family Dollar Store or Wal-Mart? The fact is that they are criminals and amateurish at that. An experienced crook wouldn't have wasted good money on a "commando knife."
 
Hell a half decent axe would do the job as well (if not better) in terms for the boys.... The commando knife makes no difference.
I believe in this, If you give a person a sniper rifle, and he doesn't have the will to kill, he'll do nothing with it. If the person does have the will to kill, he can kill barehanded.
 
I gotta agree with ya Calyth. I just wish a lot of politcians could see how simple it really is.
Greg
 
it is a shame that a 12" commando knife actually means something.

from the article it sounds like they just wanted to kill someone just for the sake of it. which is really the sick part of it.
 
merde
*sigh* here we go again. When is the media going to start putting the blame where it belongs and stop with this kind of,,,merde.
 
Not to throw a bucket of water in here, but most people (they're "people", not "sheeple")have the same reaction to a large knife, especially one that "looks" nasty, that they have to a gun. If you use either one regularly yourself as a tool (hunting, LEO, or whatever) then you think of it as a tool when you see others with it. If you do NOT use either one regularly, then when you see someone with one, all you think about is that one of its functions (and the first one you think about because it is the most dramatic function) is to harm or kill. That's as far as most people think. If the kids had killed the professors with a toenail clipper, the reaction would be jokes from Jay Leno, not fear of toenail clippers & people who carry them, despite the fact that the deed would be the same. We have to realize, and quit moaning over, the fact that most people's reaction to a "large" knife (and that means anything bigger than a SAK) is initially to think of it as a weapon, simply because they do NOT use one as a tool, and thus don't think of it as a tool. I love my Spyderco, but I don't use it much except around others with similar respect for it as a tool. I have a tiny Schrade LB for office use, because it doesn't look like a weapon to anyone (any also because ralistically there is darn little I run across around the office that I really need anything bigger for.)

P.S. - The article does not seem in any way to directly implicate, condemn, or judge the knives. If anything, it seems more to imply the fault of the internet in providing access to whatever they wanted. I would not characterize this story as anti-knife in any way, except that of course many people will react to the mental image of a slashing. I will admit, however, that the story seems unnecessarily graphic in its description of the act. I don't recall many "shooting" articles which describe when & how each shot was taken, where each shot hit the victim, etc., so I will concede the author seems to have been fascinated by the "violent knife" images.
 
By the way I bet their "12" commando knife" was some cheesy $12 chinese POS that was simply long & ugly & made them think they were the bad guys in a Steven Seagal movie.:barf:
 
I forget which model, but they were SOG knives. SEALs I think, Ron@SOG posted about it when he was asked.
 
In this case the gripe against the internet is probably legitimate. Both guys look to have been underage when they purchased the knives.

n2s
 
I have given this some thought and I feel that the net must make a better effort to see to it that knives are not sold to minors. The reason I say this is that to an immature person, a "commando knife" will give them a sense of power that Mom's kitchen knife will not give a kid even though both knives are more than capable of inflicting horrible damage. Therefore, those who advertise their knives as "tactical" must be aware that the images of SEAL team and SWAT officers will strongly appeal to immature minds of all ages who are seeking power trips of one kind or another. There is nothing we can do about immature adults buying potentially dangerous items, but we should be mindful of making such items readily available to kids.
 
i dont have an ny times accout so is this the new hampshire thing? If it is my Grandma knew the victims and i visit the town every year. The town is one of those where no one locks their doors. they never lock there cars either.
 
Grr... morons like those two p*ss me off to no end.
So does media bias... altho, this article wasnt *too* bad.

Not selling knives to minors on the net... its a thought. But I dont know if it would help much.
Someone who wants to kill, is going to kill, its that simple. Kitchen knives, or commando knives.
Yeah, to an immature person, a "commando knife" will help them out with their power trip... but if they couldnt have gotten a "commando knife" they would have taken a kitchen knife in all likelyhood.
Or they woulda gone to a gun show and gotten a knife there....

I'm 16... two years ago, I bought a cheap switchblade at a gun show... I bought it... no one said a thing about it...
Now, my taste in knives is better, I carry an Emerson Commander, and a Livesay necker... both I aquired on my own as well.
I usually try to buy from forums, because I can get a good deal, and its just handy for me, its easier to send a money order than bug the 'rents to borrow the credit card.
Now, not to say my parents dont know I buy knives, they do, everytime.
But I'm serious about knives, and I know others my age who are too, everything from spyderco to customs, and still we're not 18 yet.
Now, I will admit I am more mature than most 16 year olds and so are those I hang out with... not to brag, its just a fact. sad fact IMO.
But still, most teens arent going to go killing people, most either dont give a flying flip about knives, buy ones that look cool to hang on their walls and fiddle with sometime, or some are actually seriously into knives.

The two idiots who killed the professors, just two idiots, who should have known better, who should have had the brains to realize what dumb phucks they were. and who didnt.

There isnt a rash of incidents like this...
And a lot of online dealers and forum sellers wont sell to minors anyway....
I dont think things like this are anything near an epidemic that would warrant making it so only those 18+ can buy knives.
 
Satin, I understand how you feel. I started collecting knives in grade school and I still have a number of knives that I bought before I turned ten. Needless to say, I grew up in a different time from you. It was still common for kids to carry pocket knives, even in school it was not allowed, but not seen as a horrible crime. Nobody thought anything of me buying knives at the hardware store or local department store. I guess I would feel better if these sales took place person to person, or if a parent came along with a youth. The fact is that we live in a very litigious time, and businesses have to be concerned about the legal ramifications of what they do. In fact, Satin, if knife dealers aren't careful about who they sell to now, they may not be around when you are not a minor.
 
ejt: yeah that's a pretty good argument. I didn't read through the articles because I just don't want anymore spam (somehow when you say don't give your e-mail out you'll still see spam).
But my point is, even if they didn't get the commando knife off the internet, they could've got something just as deadly and deals the same damage. I'm pretty sure if those kids have to, they can come up with axes, kitchen knives, household cleavers (i've seen big ones in restaurants), ropes, cars, etc... that would have done the deed.
Yet we must address this stigmata that the press and normal people like to give to guns and "larger" knifes (with your perfect greater than SAK definition, that's a good one :) ). I just don't see the difference between me putting a so called commando knife through a person or any other weapon out there. The deed is 1st degree murder, and a person can do that without weapons.
IMO they're just wasting energy trying to order that so called commando knife.
As to how some people see knives first as a weapon, yeah I can relate sometimes, but i just find that it's irrational to think that a knife is always a weapon. I know people who freak when I open a SAK, and I know people who don't flinch when I open my folders one handed. There's just this correlation where the person who freak when I open a SAK seems to be much more of a nut case than others.
 
Japan turned to no blade nation by a assasination 1960, a boy killed Inezirou Asanuma had been the Japan Socialist Party chairman.
After the case, public "No edged tool for child" movement occured.
It is great sucsess. Now, most Japanese do not know how to sharpen pencil with knife. Many home no kichen knife.
Knife fan are said to be public enemy.

I warry America be so!! I beleve never, You love Knife & Gun so, but Japan, Samurai nation have changed.
 
Ishida-san

Wow, a post from Japan...cool.

We are not there yet, but it's getting worse all the time. I was given my first knife at around 10 by my father. It was kind of saying, you're growing up now and can take the responsibility of having a knife now.

Since then, I have almost never been without a knife of some type. Carried one to school in a belt sheath...never got hassled. Teachers even asked me to open boxes for them.

Now there is a zero tolerance rule. Kids are getting kicked out of school for a tiny SAK on a key-chain. :mad:

My dad also took me shooting when I was around 12. I learned respect for firearms, how to operate them safely, and knew they were not toys to play with. I have owned my own firearms since I was of legal age to buy them too.

People need to realize that it is not the guns or knives commiting the crimes...it is the criminals themselves. If a person commits a crime with a gun or knife, have stiff penalties for the person...not the instrument they used to commit that crime.

If everything was made illegal...so what? The criminals have already proven they have no regard for the law anyway. The only people that suffer is law abiding citizens.

Let Ishida-san's post serve as a warning. Remember to vote!
 
Originally posted by mckgreg
I gotta agree with ya Calyth. I just wish a lot of politcians could see how simple it really is.
Greg
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More like the people that vote them in would see that way too.:(

In my opinion, it seems like every year, to me, that people don't seem to want to be responsible anymore, they just want to be plain lazy.
So lazy they want someone else do everything for them.
 
Originally posted by D7reamers
people don't seem to want to be responsible anymore
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Hell yeah...
People blame things/other people for things that are their own fault.
 
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