Can a blade be un-heat treated and then re-heat treated?

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I have a damascus knife and I am going to have some custom handle work done to it.
This handle work will involve removing the current cherrywood handles and drilling holes through the tang for the new look.
Can holes be drilled through the tang in a previously heat treated knife?
If not, can a knife be un-heat treated so to speak and then re-heat treated in order to drill the holes through the tang?

Thanks!
 
If the tank has been heat treated it is difficult to drill. The hole location can be spot treated. The way I do it is to suspend the blade in water with the tang exposed. Heat the tang and let it cool.

I have not tried this but it is supposed to work. Cut the head off a nail. Chuck it in a drill press and drill the hole location untill hot from the nail. Let it cool and drill.
 
I use a method similar to what Peter described to draw back the tang. Actually, I don't harden the tangs any more, but I still often do this just to make sure there won't be any problems drilling.

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Ignore the color of the blade. It has nothing to do with the operation I am performing here. That's the tempering color. After hardening and tempering, I roll a convex edge on all my blades and test them prior to doing the hand-rubbed finish and assembly of the knife. This one has been tested and is ready.

Anyway, my method differs slightly from Peter's. I hold the blade with my bare hand near the ricasso. This keeps me in tune with the temperature of blade and gives me complete control. I start heating at the back of the ricasso, and "paint" the tang with heat.

When the heat becomes uncomfortable on my thumb (maybe 120 degrees F. ?), I ease the blade into a bucket of water up to the ricasso until it feels cool again. The water forces the heat on up the tang. There is no way I am going to over heat the blade this way. This one is 1084 which was tempered at 400 degrees F. I would have to go well past that to screw up the blade, and I don't think any of us can hold onto a piece of steel that is 400 degrees F. or higher.

The key is to heat slowly and keep the flame moving. Don't let any part of the tang get red. On some steels such as O1 and 5160, you can actually create hard spots getting them too hot. I take the tang to a light blue, then allow it to cool. I sand off the oxide colors and repeat the operation two more times.

I have to make sure I get these things dead soft because I drill my holes after the handle is attached. When you are first starting out and getting a feel for this, you might want to drill a small test hole near the end of the tang to make sure you got it right. You should be able to drill all the way through without using any coolant or cutting fluid. There are few things as gut-wrenching as starting to drill the holes on an assembled knife, and hearing that drill bit start to go *S-C-R-E-E-E-C-H*. :D
 
Yes, you can unheat-treat and then heat-treat again.

Guess why I know that?

Spot annealing is the best way to go, like the other fellas said. Just soften where you want to drill, leave the rest alone.

Dave
 
Can you anneal any heat treated carbon steel, then re heat treat and re temper it? Say, like 1095 or 5160, or both?
 
You should be able to. Now what that is doing to the edge is another thing. If it is finish ground you want to be careful not to destroy the thin sections by overheating.
 
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