Candoshi - Shapra Indians, Questions re:

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Donald

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1. I may have missed it in Ron's video, but what method do they use to start a fire and which is the most common.

2. Ron, since you mentioned you got very sick in the tape on on your forum, I assume it is OK to ask about it here. If not, just say so. Did you ever figure out how or what you caught? What treatment was used?
 
Good questions!

FIremaking: in the village the fire was left buring 24/7 in a star fire shape. In the field they used matches or a lighter that they bought/traded. Sorta blew my mind when the buy pulled out a bic and flicked it.

I have no idea what I caught. I'd worked with several sick indians on the way in as did Steve. I was the only one to become ill. I was nearly unconscious when we arrrived at the village at 3AM. I took Cyprosporin for it and after a few days I was fairly good. Many of the tribals caught the bug as well as several of the expedition members. Everyone recovered in about three days... without the cypro!
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I just didn't know what I had but there was a high fever 104-105 associated with it. I'd guess some sort of flu and of course the cypro is pretty useless against a virus.

As things worked out, Karen caught something very much like it on the way out. We had to travel from Iquitos, to Lima to Miami to SFO to Boise while she had a 102f fever. MIserable! I can only imagine how many people had the jungle flu after our travels!

Ron

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Hey Ron...

Speaking of which...
Are the other fellows that went with you around here on the net,,not including Mark...?
Like the guy that played the flute ?

ttyle Eric..

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Ron,

I know what made you so sick...It was that gross spit beer that you so graciously drank with the cheif....uggggghhhhhhhh. Good thing you had that Cipro (I guess I am good for something).

Spit beer...grossssssssssssss. And that comes from a guy who eats raw slugs.

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Hi Greg...

Yup I agree,, that HAS TO BE the sickest $hit I've ever seen someone ingest!

We were sitting around watching the video and trying to decide what we would and would not eat...

It was a toss up over the Dog and the chicken,,over the grubs,Spit Beer, monkey, gators, the grubs and the turtle!...

Karen and Ron's Amazon movie gets a 4 on Gag Factor, and a 3 on the Dry Heave Meter...
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A definate MUST Have...

BTW,, whenever we have company over,,that I feel have weak stomachs,, I always through it on after dinner!LOL

National Geograpic With Balls...

ttyle Eric...

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Yes, flute man is around and posts now and then. I can't reveal his name... he will do that in time. He and I have spent many moons trekking. The other guy disappeared after the trip. I think the beer got to him.

Eric,

I wish I could bring myself to edit together the stuff I took out of that video. You would have coated the rug after watching the pus draining sequence... another that had me retching was the little boy who dumped a loaf just outside of the hooch. The load was yellowish and filled with crawling worms.

Karen and I have been discussing a new video topic. We want to visit all of the strange burial sites etc. I know of and include that footage with some of the jungle chuck-blow scenes.

Greg, Spit beer tastes fine. It has a flavor like the inside of someone else's mouth and smells like a cup of saliva. The foam is a bit disconcerting. You have to bite it to pop it.

Ron

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Ron....

Cool...
I for one would be interested in the Not Ready For Prime Time Video...

Send as usual..
As for FluteBoy... Come on Show yourself...You are among friends here!
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ttyle Eric...



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Eric,

I have seen the edited portions of how the spit beer was made. Now that is gross. Ron...I really enjoyed watching that...You should consider making a tape of gross and disgusting acts. I believe it would be a best seller....

How about the turtle that's heart was still beating after it was placed on the ground...or the kid sitting butt ass (literally touching) naked on the stump that was used (less than 30 seconds later) to cut up dinner.

All right...who's interested in a gross disgusting tape? Speak up...who would pay...

Ron...you may have a best seller :>)

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Since we are on the subject of spit beer, is it a potential disease vector, or does the fermentation eliminate this problem.

What do you think of the way they prepare monkey's? Is tossing the monkey into the fire to burn the fur off a labor saving method? Since the animal is not gutted first does that present problems? [Perhaps if I rewatch the video this is explained.]
 
Greg...

I'm already in...
I've got a standing order.. Whatever Hoods Woods produces,I'm in... Friggin Addict Eh !

Maybe they should come out with a childrens series,, like Tellie Tubbies or something..

Hey ! Not a Bad idea....
Survival from a Kids point of View! You know,, something the kids could watch and get into...

A child narrator/survival expert ,,done completely through a child's eye!

They look at $hit different then we do you know!

Ron.. If you like this idea.. I expect the usual 20%,, well Ok 10%..
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Hoods Woods Kids! Hows that sound ?


ttyle Eric...

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Donald,

You bring up a good point about disease and spit beer. I mean these women where really hacking some luggies into the pot. A couple of times they would make that sound like it was clearing mucous from their sinuses...prior to spiting a long strand of stuff. I am not an expert on third world diseases or how fermentation effects it, but it seems that the risk of contracting disease from drinking this product must be high...

any brew masters out there... how about an infectious disease (ID) expert...I could always call my expert in ID Seattle :>)

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A few thoughts on the Shapra-Candoshi questions:

-- The Amazonians, both Indian and mestizo, are far from being gourmet cooks. Their general culinary philosophy is (1) chop it into pieces, and (2) boil the **** out of it. I was on a two-week survival trip in the Amazon when we shot an agouti -- a very large ground-dwelling rodent. As part of cleaning and gutting it, I started to cut off and discard the head, and my teacher, Moises Chavez, told me not to -- that I should just toss the head in along with everything else. "Lots of good stuff in the head," he said.

-- I think that the reason they don't skin the animal is twofold. First, they don't need the skin as a resource. Second, the subcutaneous fat may be the only significant source of fat in their diet.

-- Actually, masato has a yeasty taste that appeals to the palate, and is filled with mysterious strings and lumps that are a challenge to the imagination. It is generally not allowed to ferment long enough to develop what we would consider a significant alcohol content. It probably does not present a particular risk for hepatitis, other than the usual tropical risk for hepatitis A, which is transmitted by the fecal-oral route. The other hepatitis viruses are generally transmitted in blood and body fluids. However, I would guess that the saliva could transmit cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr virus, various herpes viruses, and bacteria such as those responsible for flu, cold, and strep throat; it depends on what is endemic in the particular area.

-- For an alternative to masato, you should try the higher-altitude drink called chicha. It is a beer they make in the Andes out of corn -- maize for you Europeans -- and stored in clay pots underground to ferment. This is definitely good stuff, and can sneak up on you and kick you in the head.

-- The flute guy in Ron's video is remarkably ugly-looking. I have no idea why Ron would hang around with him.

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Thanks Walking...

Great answer. Those lumpy strings in the beer are a challenge... part in the mouth and the other part sliding down the throat...

Not ugly, just a trustworthy friend with a good heart and many skills. I wonder if he'll make himself known????

Ron

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