Coming around on the Military

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I'm a big Spyderco fan, but as folks might remember me complaining before, I saw over a dozen of the first run of the Military models some time ago and found them sorely lacking. The construction was shoddy in dozens of ways, the action was generally poor, and several had locks that didn't engage or failed. In short, it wasn't Spyderco quality, and I wasn't surprised when they were withdrawn for changes.

Well, that was the bad news. It put me off of the Military, and I soon after didn't have much time for knives anyhow. The good news was that when I got a chance to come back to my hobby about two years later (mostly by finding this board) I found Spyderco had made many improvements and the knife was now the hottest folder around. Never let it be said that I can't be bowed by peer pressure - I got one
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I have it in my hand now and I AM impressed. I'd like to give my impressions on this knife as a former skeptic.

First off, the shape was always good and it still is. The handle is like a Civilian's with a bit more to stop the base of your hand; it falls naturally into a great saber grip and you can also choke up nicely using the choil. The traction grooves have been deleted from the choil, and I applaud this change; those on the back of the blade are still aggressive but not enough to be uncomfortable. The blade shape is designed to cut like crazy, with a full flat grind and plenty of belly, very nice. The point is surprisingly fine, but it remains to see whether that makes it delicate - it's certainly handy!

The G-10 handles show none of the flex that I noted in the earliest examples, even on the side that is thinned for the liner. The construction has screws coming in from both sides, a great idea, but I certainly hope that there is metal in the plastic spacer to hold their threads. The lanyard tube protrudes slightly above the level of the handles, but is not in an area where this becomes uncomfortable.

The lock engages with a sharp click and seats about 1/3 of the way up the locking face. This is excellent, though the locking face is not ground quite all the way up, revealing roughly profiled steel at the top. Not only does the lock exude a sense of solidity, but it holds up to every whack or wiggle I try, with no play and no sign of failure. The liner easily passes the "white knuckle" test but is also very accessible, through intelligent placement of the cutaway. The detention ball engages the blade smoothly but holds it closed VERY firmly.

The clip is of a much-improved three-screw design that provides access to the pivot. It is unnoticeable when gripping the knife and even has a slight curve to blend it with the handle shape. My only gripe is that it screws into the G-10, but this is unlikely to strip unless it is repeatedly taken off.

The finish of the knife is fairly "rough and functional." The chamfering of the handle is clean and sharp, but in addition to the aforementioned lanyard tube, the spacer also fits poorly to the profile of the handle. The grooves on the back of the "hump" are very sloppy, and there is also a slight rolling on the right side of part of the spine. Overall, the blade finish and profile is adequate but not quite as nice as other Spydercos I own.

The action on my Military is frankly rather poor, especially for a liner lock. It has a noticeably gritty feel and requires substantial force to open by flicking the hole. Dropping it open is out of the question. I hope that I can adjust this myself (what size Torx head is the pivot?) because sending a knife in for a mere tension adjustment is, in my opinion, unreasonable. I also would like info on disassembling the knife. I understand Spyderco's trouble with users who cannot put their knives back together, but I have taken apart dozens of Benchmades as well as a few early Militaries, and feel confident in attempting it. I would, however, like some input (and torx sizes) before having a go at this knife; think twice, cut once, right?

The big picture: this knife is lightweight but extremely solid in both construction and lockup. Cutting tests will have to wait, but by the blade geometry and 440V steel I know it will be a force to reckon with. If I can get the action smoothed out, my only gripes with this knife will be cosmetic - and it's a worker, not a showpiece. It saddens me that American workmanship can still be identified by a "fit and finish" examination, but in every practical respect the knife is a masterpiece, something to be proud of. I feel that I am holding waht the Military was meant to be, and will happily forget those first examples I handled long ago.

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Corduroy,

I may or may not agree with certain parts of your review on the Military, but you did cover the bases very well.

I have a newer model. Newer than the old ones, but older than the new ones. If that makes sense at all!
Still has the thumb choil which I love. Not having this choil on the new ones would leave me a little less impressive with it.

Basically I like this Spyderco most of all, out of all Spyderco Knives because of it's toughness and built. Of course the flat grind clip blade with the CPM-440V steel makes this knife what it is, at least for me it does.

One other thing which I don't like on the newer Militaries is the three screws that hold the clip around the pivot screw. Looks kind of funky when clipped in your pocket. Glad mine still has the 2 screws holding the clip on. The leaf spring lock is high polished, which does give it much better looks than the origianl ones did. I have one of those as well put away in my collection.

As much as I have used my Military and as long as I have had it, the leaf spring lock still is only just a hair before half way.

The Wenger is much more attractive and heaftier knife than the Military, my second favorite Spyderco. Built like a Brick House! Excellent is the word ...

Mark
 
Sorry if I was unclear:

The choil is still present, it just no longer bears traction grooves like the "hump" does.

I also noticed one thing since I wrote that. The shoulders of the blade are well in line at the base (first place I look), but I have since found that the grinds diverge over 1/8" by the top - that's a lot! Again, this knife is scoring an A+ in solidity and design, but a C+ in fit and finish.

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
I have noticed much of the same points in my MIlitary...Along with a new one,at the end of the last serration right before you get to the kick, there is about a 2/16th section that is a plane edge...It appears very thin, so thin that when I push it with your finger nail on one side of it you can watch it bend and spring back from the other side. I called Spyderco and ask about this and it appears that this is normal. I was worried that this may be a breaking point.

Just me being paranoid I guess,
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~Keith~
 
I was a little leery (sp?) of the original Military models and put off buying one. The fact that they were much more than they are now also had something to do with it. After reading all of the positive posts, and playing with a newer Military last weekend. I decided to go ahead and order one. Hopefully it will be here tomorrow. Corduroy, the one I played with this weekend had a silky smooth action, better than some of the custom stuff I own. The action may loosen up as you use it. I don't know what kind of washers Spyderco is using but sometimes they need a little time to break in. I hope this is the case.

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Paul
Keep Em Sharp


 
Corduroy, the fit and finish on my Mil is very good for a production knife (much better than my AFCK - imo), the action is smooth but not slick like on my Sebenza. I may be mistaken but I think (and it surely looks like it without dissassembling the knife) that the clip screws indeed screw into the recessed steel liner and not merely into the G10. There was a previous thread by somebody who dissassembled the Mil and maybe you can verify this from him or Sal might answer and clarify iro of the clip screw attachment.
 
I find the cosmetic fit and finish what I would expect from a production knife, indeed, on the high side. The function is the finest that I have experienced in a folding knife. The action is most smooth and the lock-up is as tight as can be. A very impressive piece of work!

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh
 
Yeah, I'm starting to get the impression that I like the Military, I just don't like THIS Military. Seems like a poor example of a fine knife. Should I send it in?

I have my Calypso to play with in the meantime (best birthday ever!)
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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Corduroy,

As you noted in your review, the knife is a worker and not a show piece. While fit and finnish are important to a very large degree, let me ask you this, How does it perform? Do any of the deficiencies you noted affect the overall performance?
I too noted the "gritty" feel you described and corrected it by applying a liberal amount of super lube and then removing the three clip screws and applying some of the Chris Reeve fluorinated lube and I must say it is smooth as a baby's bottom now.
The only complaint I would log wiThe Spyderco about the new model is the removal of the finger choil grooves.
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Deon,
I agree the action is no where near as smooth as the Sebenza but then the Military doesn't have phosphoro bronze washers either.

To wrap up I would just like to say once again("uh Mr. Johnson, the dead horse called and requested you stop beating him
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) By far this is one of my all time favorite knives and regardless of a few aesthetic deficiencies I think Spyderco does and excellent job. (I will now get off my soap box)
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God bless!

Romans 10:9-10

"Military" Fans Unite!!
 
Why wonder. Call Danelle and ask what to do. That's if she doesn't respond here first.

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh
 
Call her? Geez, I never thought of that. I emailed her, though. Can a fellow really talk to her? Cool.

Yeah, I have been going over the "it's not a showpiece" argument in my head, wondering if I'm too picky. But you know what? Most Spydercos aren't showpieces and yet they still show a high degree of fit and finish. The Military is the flagship of Spyderco's in-house designs, and it's also an example of American craftsmanship in a largely Japanese-made line. Should I expect less from it than from other Spydercos, or more?

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
What you mean not a show piece
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... I show mine to alot of people and 99.99% of them are impressed with it.
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Not to put down any others, but the fit and finish on mine is much nicer than my Emerson Commanders are! Even the REKAT's supposely are not very pretty either from posts I have read.

Anyways, aren't knives mostly to use? Function should be number one with a knife and looks second!


Just my 3 cents worth,
Mark

 
Hmmm...while I haven't even let my Military leave the house until I find out what course of action Spyderco would like me to take, I did just remove the clip to get access to lube the pivot and see if that helped the action any. What did I discover? Two extra holes in the G-10, presumably where the old-style clip screwed in...and one of these holes actually overlaps one of the three new ones. Yuck!

The closer I look at this knife, the more little things seem, well, not up to Spyderco standards. Yet at the same time, I have to say it's growing on me...

I really can't make up my mind how I feel about this knife. I think I do understand why Military fans are so devoted though...in another week I may be totally within its power
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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
I noticed that too on one of mine, but I figur what the hey. If it doesn't affect the function or design, no prob.


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God bless!

Romans 10:9-10

"Military" Fans Unite!!
 
Just dragging this back to the top to try and get a few more opinions.

I'm really of two minds about this knife. The grip is so solid, so well shaped, and the blade looks as if it wants to cut everything in sight. But every time I go to drop it open there's a good chance it will stick halfway, and I can hold it at arm's length and LISTEN to the action grind.

It's a great design, it really is, but if it weren't for the shape I probably wouldn't think this was a knife made by Spyderco...more like the worse end of the vast Benchmade quality spectrum. Any chance of getting one from the other end?

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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
Unless you got a discount because of low fit and finish I don't see any reason to settle for sub-par workmanship. Did you ask the dealer if you can just return it for an other one? Of course there is always the option of just sending it in for some work.

-Cliff
 
If YOU don't think it's acceptable, my advice is to send it in..call (yes, I am a REAL person you can talk to on the phone!) or write me for instructions, if you need them...
Danelle
 
Okay, right, sorry. I've been suffering a serious case of indecision here, that's why all the posting. Love the knife, don't love this particular one. In a box you go!

Thanks for "bear"ing with me
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-Corduroy
(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
 
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