COPIES VS ORIGINALS

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Having read up a lot about khukuris recently, the question eventually occurred to me: Don’t we all possess COPIES of original khukuris? In fact, what is an ORIGINAL khukuri?

I quickly surmised that maybe original khukuris include the following:

1 - All khukuris made by kamis and the like, and sold to locals for household use and self-protection
2 - All khukuris made by contracted shops and issued to serving soldiers and retired officers
3 - All khukuris which have been authenticated and housed in museums or in private collections.

If this is correct, it means that all others are COPIES! But in the case of doubts, how can khukuris be authenticated?

Lt. Dan believes that the khukuris from certain respected manufacturers and distributors are the real deal, being made by bona-fide kamis for real use, and of fine quality. He offers the example of the SN1, which is the actual knife made for the present-day Gurkhas, and made by the very same hands on the same forges. These kamis also make other styles. It might seem reasonable to say that all indigenous khukuris that are well-made for hard use and in traditional fashion will meet the criteria. I do agree with him on this.

But to take it further: My point # 1 above implies that if I myself forge a blade and make a knife exactly according to khukuri specifications, and use it for chopping wood in my back garden, it will not be an original. It will be a copy. Also, even if I were a master cutler producing bench-made khukuris for sale to enthusiasts, they would not be original. One might have a factory in the USA or in SA, using high-tech rollers and presses and manufacturing khukuris en masse, and they would not be originals. So to be original, a khukuri needs to be forge-produced by a Nepalese kami, a kami being an indigenous skilled person who has learned his trade from a predecessor in the art. Now comes the hitch: surely it does not matter a hoot to whom he sells his wares. Whether a “local” buys the knife, or I, a collector from SA, or a tourist, gets it first, second or any hand, it is an original. It also does not matter what the buyer uses it for. So much for my # 1.

The non-originals are those which are non-functional or non-acceptable quality, made in styles which are non-traditional, by non-indigenous makers using non-traditional methods.

How am I doing?
 
Pretty good! I myself like to include "made in Nepal" in my definition. However that being said, there are many hand-forged examples made in america and other places by talented bladesmiths that I couldn't in all fairness NOT call "originals." Does this make sense?

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Craig, thank you for your reply. I read between the lines that you yourself feel that it does not make sense. I think the answer lies in what we believe the word "original" to mean. The guy you mentioned, who is very talented and who goes about his blacksmithing job utterly scrupulously, to my mind did not make an original. You might say (and I think others have said it too), that the mere fact that it was not Nepalese, influences things. Let me at least try to get rid of the problem by means of terminology. In the black powder shooting fraternity, a muzzle loader which was manufactured and fashioned exactly after an 1820 vintage roman nose .45 calibre Pennsylvania Long Rifle, by Armi Jaeger in Italy and imported by City Guns in Cape Town to sell to shooting enthusiasts, is a REPRODUCTION. (If it were made of pewter and plastic and cost 20 bucks, it would be a MODEL.) We use our reproductions constantly on the shooting range. We very seldom fire a shot from our originals, for fear of damage and further deterioration. So, to use the same terminology, your American knifemaker made a high quality REPRODUCTION of an original khukuri. If I had made the same thing from untempered mild steel with marine ply handle slabs and a glass-fibre sheath, it would be a MODEL. I sincerely hope this is a helpful contribution...
 
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‘Hat’s off’ to Johan’s thinking outside the box.

One thing, however, Nepalese khukuris get that other blades don't is a little ceremony and some goat's blood when they're completed.

Also, one thing Johan may not know, is that Craig is working on a video from his trip to Nepal which shows khuks being hand made--can't wait to see that.

That said, "Craig how's video production going?"


 
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