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Cut the crap test your knives try in a real jungle ......

Amazon Expert

Jun 3, 1999
Many folks buy a knife based on a name or label. A good example of this can be found in the wilderness and ‘survival’ markets. Tag any piece ‘survival’ and in many consumer minds it immediately becomes a better qualified tool for sustaining life than the camp knife they have stashed away in their backpack. In my many years as an outdoorsman playing in wilderness areas around the world, I’ve found that a lot blades usually end up finding their true value niche by mistake rather than by design. Time and time again I’ve seen some ‘ultimate survival’ or ‘latest real deal wilderness blade’ laid to rest by a piece that was designed for a purpose far removed from the application it was being used for.

Yeah I think that's what Ron Hood said about the SRK.

No, I was never lost. But I was mighty bewildered one time for three days.

--- Daniel Boone

I have a hard time understanding people who collect knives just to collect them. Well, most don't bother me so much, but some try to say something which sucks is actualy great, even though they have never used it. Now, I am a strong proponent of there being more than one answer to a given question, but some thing s just don't work satisfactorly for certain activities.

Many of these people have a problem with the word "tactical", they think that since it's labeled "tactical" it's gotta be good. "Tactical" has become a fad. It doesn't matter wether something really works or not, most people will never actualy use them, it's about what's new and trendy.

For instance the "wondersteel of the month club". There was a time when there wasn't a wide variety of suitable bladesteels available. So when something new came along, it might well have been worth raising a fuss over, like cutlery-grade stainless steels. But now, whenever somebody comes out with a new alloy, there's this writhing mass of steel groupies that just goes ape over it, well until the next alloy anyway. In use, the differences between most alloys are slight, most of the benefit is on the smith's side of things. Steel groupies remind me of the spicegirl or back door,er street, boys or something.

I suppose it's nothing that I really need to worry about. It's easy to go through life with blinders on and never worry about anybody else. But that's not my way. I'm not saying I want to make everybody conform to my views, but if somebody's speaking their mind, well I'm gonna speak mine.

I agree with putting a knife through it's paces. There's an ancient Viking proverb;

"Praise no day till evening, no wife before her cremation, no sword till tested, no maid before marriage, no ice till crossed, no ale till it's drunk."

Chopping wood and rope is great and all, and does have some value for establishing benchmarks, but it's best to actualy live with the thing in the field before passing judgement. This becomes dificult with fighting/defensive knives. Consequently, there are more lame defensive and fighting knives than any other category. Sure, many art knives are unusable, but the operative word there is "art".

Yeah, I'd say that many good uses for a knife can be found by mistake, but purpose-designed blades, provided they are designed by competent people, do have an advantage in that they will be workable in what they're designed for without relying on trial and error to decide what they're best suited for.
Snick, great quote. You won't hear it coming out of my mouth while my wife is in earshot, though.

...yes the quote is a good one, but I respectfully suggests that it is actually inapropriate in reality....like a two piece "surival knife" Praise before death will not only garner you benefits, it is also appropriate and appreciated by the one deserving of praise, such as a camping partner and/or spousal unit. (I just had to use that latter term, ever since I saw it in a post.)

I know from http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002648.html that Snickersnee likes the project one which is a great spearpoint design, assuming it is like the smaller Shadow III spearpoint, that I have....and no, I have not really put it through its paces.... Snickersnee, you said the handle interior was large....will a Photon micro-light fit in it. To follow my own advice..I enjoyed your discussion!

Do the posters in this thread have any comment re Ron Hood's recent liking for a tanto point of sorts. Is it a suitable point for general purpose, survival, skinning, etc. As I understand from one poster, he finds it a useful point, as you can choke up on it and use the tanto edge as a small knife. I have not yet raised the issue with him and do not know if the poster correctly interpreted his statements. When I have the chance I'll have to go back and find that thread, it may have been at www.survival.com . Obviously, he has tested his knives
. Maybe he will discuss these design issues in his latest video when it comes out. Great series by the way.

Is Amazon Expert, Jeff Randall?
Hey Amazon, how about a example or 2.
Btw I could not agree more.
Amazon- great post. I enjoy your "jungle blade" articles in the knife mags too. The RTAK is a great design, I want one!
I just wanted to read this thread to get an idea of what that nonsense header was all about. Sorry I don't have anything else to add.



More than well said!!! Even if most knives will hold an edge well The handle usually is obtuse. Take a knife that you like and whittle a railroad tie in half and you'll find all the hot spots on the handle and how well the blade stands up. Using the knife in the conditions you live and work in needs to be the determining factors for design not who the maker or what movie star used it .
New Alloysand processes will always be comming up, but it makes for interesting experimenting ( for those that do) No matter what nobody will always like the same things. Sounds kinda like something Yogi would say I better quit.


HMMMMMM spousal unit-- I had to laugh, but They don't get enough credit or praise if you have a keeper like mine.
yada yada yada.

First post?

And then lists his homepage that describes an SRK as an ideal knife, only to say the sheath disintegrated on day 3??

I'm not a rocket scientist here, but, hey, come on, who's the pot calling the kettle black???
I like the design of that RTAK knife. I'll have to check it out more closely. Especially encouraging is your statement "the 'factory' edge did not have to be re-touched or ground back", something I end up doing all too often.

I'm not sure I agree about the necessity of testing my knives "in a real jungle", since for most of us (I believe), desert, urban, hard utility, or North American woodlands use is much more likely. Luckily, I can test hard utility around the house, and North American woodlands isn't all that hard to find around here
The canned tests of rope and the like DO tell you a lot, but real field testing can definitely uncover things you hadn't thought of. For me, I've come to favor a two-knife combination of a very thin-bladed cutter (e.g., A.G. Russell Deerhunter) for food prep and the like, plus a machete.

Amazon, I have no idea who you are or if what you say is true, but the tone of your post royally p**sed me off. You came on like Atilla the Hun with profanity and great bluster. If you can back it up, fine, but the tone is very aggravating and condescending as all H*ll! How about trying a touch of humility?

Walk in the Light,
Amazon Expert

I suspect that most of the people living in the jungle carry knives substantially less expensive than the ones carried by most of the forumites. How about a report on the types of knives used by the natives? I bet most of us could pick up something similar for $2 or $3 in a second hand store.

It’s not the knives that are tested in the jungle, but the men.
Isn't your post just cut-and-pasted from your review of the Junglee Tactical Drop Clip Jr? (Which is just one of the old designs Blackjack used to import).


(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)

When I was in the Philipines as an active duty Marine, I had the opportunity to participate in J.E.S.T. (Jungle Environmental Survival Training).

The school was sponsored by the Navy and taught by Negrito(?) guides. The guides were born and raised in the Philippine jungle and they taught us not only how to survive in a jungle environment, but how to "live" (quite comfortably) in the jungle.

They carried short machetes called "bolos". The blades were heavily stained, but very sharp. Our Kabars dulled quickly and literally bounced off the bamboo, while the guides' bolos chopped easily through both dried and green bamboo. I overheard that they were made from old jeep leafsprings. They were not much to look at, but they were highly effective; which is all that matters when it comes to survival.

Later on, during our deployment in the Philippines, vendors in the field were selling these and other knives for between 2 and 5 dollars a piece.

Semper Fidelis,

Milin Tan (Watson-349)
Guys! Guys! Cut our "expert" some slack! It IS his first post. I too was a loud-mouthed blowhard when I started out posting to these sorts of things. (Gee, how did Obi Wan put it to Yoda when trying to get him to train Luke?) As you can see, I have cooled off quite a bit, now I'm just an opinionated a$$hole... I'm sure many of us started off gung ho and thought we were here to revolutionize the cutlery industry. Let's give him a chance. He'll come around.

Oh, yeah, the quote;

Well, it's excerpted from a Viking poem of advice, the Havamal. I'd be willing to post it, maybe in the "community" area, where ever it's appropriate, if anybody wants to see the rest. The Vikings were very egalitarian, as were many of the old tribal Northern Europeans. Women were fully allowed to own property, had equal rights in the eyes of the law, some were politicians, warriors, landowners, etc. There isn't really any anti-female sentiment, just a caution from being too quick to judge anything. A lot of this is more conceptual than litteral. Heck! I love women! Some of my best friends are women! Seriously, I have more female friends then male, and they're all brawlers too. Yes, I appreciate them very much.

Donald, I don't think a Photon will fit, you can get the MicroMaglite in there though, you know, the single AAA? I'm sure we're all familiar with so-and-so's "Everybody's Knife Bible", the author suggestd bind a small flashlight to the edge of the sheath. This would work good on the Scott Hendrix SB-1 I have for the Project, it has a lot of grommets on the sides, I could use copper wire wound around the flashlight.
Fair enough, Snickersnee. I'm still a loud-mouthed blowhard, and I've never even been in a jungle!


(Why else would a bear want a pocket?)
I agree, Amazon seems to have a lot of hands-on knowledge that would be great for the group. And this wouldn't be the first time someone flubbed a bit on their first post. I say we train him and make him a productive member of bladeforums society.

And after that, we can ask him about his claim that the SRK makes a "fine chopper"

Does anyone take personal offense from Amazons post? It seems to me that he is merely calling it the way he sees it on the so called "survival knives" that are out there at swap meets and "adventure" type catalogues. I see his post as being helpful in being wary of these types of knives.
Could it be that Blade Forums will be getting a "Kevin MAD DOG Maclung" of their own in Amazon Expert? Speaks his mind, tells it like it is, steps on toes, and pisses people off.
I guess since I,m a doggite I found no rudeness in the title of his post or the contents therein. If anything it got me to read it.
Geeze! Relax people.
Anyway this could start to get interesting.

The spirit grows, strength is restored by wounding