D'Allara Drop Point vs Benchmade Griptillian

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It hadn't occured to me until someone here mentioned that they are very similar knives. I've never handled either of them but I'm thinking about one for one of my next purchases.
The spyderco has a much better steel than the benchmade. They both have a similar blade shape and length and the same kind of lock. The benchmade has a more convenient handle size but seems like it has a less comfortable or secure handle.
Is the griptillian flat ground or just shallowly hollow ground?
Anything I missed?

- Chris
 
I have a review of the d`allara (still going on with other reviewers) where I compare it to a griptillian I have on loan.

But here's what you need to know:

Grip pros:

I had a slight preference for the Griptillian's handle

The axis lock is easier to use, period.

Best action in the industry.

Lighter and much less bulky (when closed)

D`Allara pros:

Arguably the best FRN scales out there. Much grippier than the Grip's.

Looks better, in my opinion--looks higher quality.

Feels better! It's got a lot of steel backing up the plastic scales.

Full skeletonized steel liners (!)

A really good lock with its own respective strengths and weaknesses. I imagine the ball bearing lock will outlive the axis lock (as if it mattered), but it's noticeably harder to use.

Oversized spyderhole

Wire clip

And the obvious one, VG10 steel.


You could definitely make a debate for the Griptillian, but using both, the D`allara is the clear winner for me.
 
Thanks, Artfully Martial, this is a good start. I have a few more questions, though:
Lacking steel liners, I assume the benchmade is not as strong as the spyderco?
I have never used a ball bearing lock or an axis lock — exactly how difficult is a ball bearling lock to operate?
What is the difference in handle thickness?
How does the benchmade oval compare to the spyderhole?
How is the wire clip better than other clips?
Ultimately I will probably choose the spyderco because it is significantly less expensive and I trust the company but I want my decision to be based on more than that.
Thanks,

Chris
 
I use knives by both manufacturers but there is one reason why I would never buy a D'Allara:

The Ball Bearing Lock.

When I first saw the D'Allara Rescue (released before the Drop Point) the first thing I thought was "That's a copy of the Axis lock." The second thing I thought was "How easy is that going to be to disengage with gloves on?"

The D'Allara Rescue was aimed at people like me - professional firefighters (as well as men an women from the other "Save And Serve" professions).

At an incident I will always be wearing gloves - either thick firefighting gloves, Kevlar-lined leather working gloves or Neoprene wetsuit gloves.

It is not only important to be able to open a knife easily one handed while wearing gloves - it is also important to be able to return the knife to a safe state to continue with further tasks without risk to the user or those around.

I Googled for "function of a ball bearing" and the first result was this:
"...The function of a ball bearing is to connect two machine members that move relative to one another in such a manner that the frictional resistance to motion is minimal...."

Surely friction is something that you want in sliding lock release that is part of a knife designed for people who are going to be wearing gloves?

My concerns about the Ball Bearing lock were confirmed in this thread:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386771 when "The General", a gent who's opinion I greatly respect said this:
The General said:
.....However, there were real complaints from the lads about this knife and that was that the lock was unbearably fiddly to unlock in their opinion. I decided to give it a week of use before making my mind up and I have to agree this lock is a very fiddly design for unlocking.

It does not feel natural to unlock. If you use two hands its a bit of a pain to do. One handed is frightening for most. The ball is slippery as an eel to grip and the whole process feels about as unatural to operate as I can imagine.

..... A great knife with a very strong and secure lock, thats just a bit to fiddly for most people in my opinion.


So no ball bearing locks for me. I will stick to the excellent Spyderco lock back models, namely the Endura and Pacific Salt.

And if the choice is D'Allara Drop Point or Benchmade Griptilian I'll take the Griptilian with its proper Axis lock thanks.
 
Of the two above mentioned knives, I'd choose the endura 4, which I like better than both.

Regarding the ball lock, Sal sent me a D'Allara to play with and it's not "fiddly" ... more difficult to unlock than an axis becuase you have to get your thumb into the slot, but otherwise sound and unlockable with one hand.

Joe
 
Just throwing this out there... the new Grips are going to have 154cm steel instead of the 440c. Pretty cool upgrade, nothing wrong with their 440c though.
 
Well it would seem that spyderco kind of dropped the ball on that one — who'd have thought. How is the ball bearing lock to use when not wearing gloves?

- Chris
 
I have the RSK Grip and, the D'Allara. 95% of what I would say has already been said by "Artfully Martial". Every point is pretty much on the money. The only exception is that, perhaps with the RSK's S30V blade the D'Allara may not hold the steel advantage between these particular two.

The Grip would appear to represent the more mainstream approach to a decent quality and reliable modern lockblade folder. The D'Allara would appear to represent a more thoroughly thought out and executed folder - one that started with the mainstream approach and then evolved it until the particular ideal, or philosophy had been satisfactorily achieved.

Frankly, I like them both immensely. For every day carry tho, I would probably give the advantage to the Grip simply because it's slightly easier to carry due to it's more streamlined profile. But I am very happy that I own them both.
 
The ball baring based knives are extremely easy to open one handed, and in fact, exactly as easy as any other non lockback based knife. The action is super smooth and easy, though not QUITE as free as the very finely tuned axis lock knife (you can get it JUST right to not really have lateral play but it swings freely with the axis pulled). I could argue it's EASIER to open one handed due to its oversized spyderhole, but that's a matter of preference.

When you get experienced with knives, you should be perfectly able to open the knife without touching the blade at all, and you should be able to open it faster than even OTF autos once you develop that skill. This is the case with most non lockbacks of any normal size. I have it fast enough at this point to where the blade appears open when I want it to. Keep practicing.

The ball bearing lock is easy to disengage, but not as easy as the axis lock. The d`allara's is the best of the bunch--but you're going to have to use this knife for awhile and adjust. It'll never be as easy as the axis lock, but with practice, you can close it with just one finger--I can now do it with just my thumb and flick it closed. People with gloves will have to try it and figure it out on their own, because, well, I don't open knives when I'm wearing gloves. So I can't say.

The ball bearing lock furthermore has structural advantages over the axis lock. The dual coil springs should outlive the omega ones, and, unlike the axis lock, might actually keep the blade locked when one of them fails, which we have confirmed cases of this not happening with axis locks. It should be much less inhibited by dirt and debris, as confirmed by our good friend Ming, which he has photos of his testing over in my review.

All that said, I still prefer the axis lock. There's no real disagreement here--the axis lock is always easier to open and close, every time, period.

But to think it's a one sided fight all things considered is definitely not the case.

Someone mentioned that the griptillian does not have steel liners, but in fact it has partial steel liners, and the minigrip (like the d`allara) has full steel liners. I have a minigrip in d2 and a d`allara, and that's the correct combination.

Tomorrow, if you guys will remind me, I'll do glove and wet tests and see how I fare.

Oh, and the clip argument is totally debateable, but I prefer wire clips for several reasons. They provide a better feel when holding the knife, they can't get all scratched up in the first week you own it (like all Benchmade clips I've used do, but Spyderco black stays on much better) and they're less visually obvious. All my opinion, obviously.

So what I'm getting at here is buy a D`allara drop point AND a minigrip. Cover all your bases.
 
I'd really like to get both but, at least for now, I'm going to have to pick one or the other (and, on that note, decide if one of these is actually going to be my next purchase — that Endura 4 is giving me the eye...). If I get too used to buying two knives at a time I'm going to get real broke real fast — especially consitering the guns I want to buy, too. I'll just keep telling myself that once I get my degree I can buy all the knives I want...
So thanks for all the input, I'll let you know what I decide.

- Chris
 
Unless there's something like an amazing deal, try and buy one knife at a time or you'll pick a favorite and the other one, even if it's great, will get shelved for a good while, as is the case of my own d`allara relative to my dodo.

But always remember you can just buy the other in a few months or next holiday occasional, whatever suits you...no rush.
 
I have both with the Grip being in D2 steel...so I think that the steels are comparable.

I really don't like the D'Allaria's ball bearing lock as I find it very awkward to manipulate when trying to unlock the blade. The Axis lock is superior, at least from that aspect. Also, the D'Allaria seems to weigh more, but for those in the professions using it as a rescue knife, that may be beneficial.

I'll probably give it to one of my drivers to carry in the truck.
 
tim8557 said:
Also, the D'Allaria seems to weigh more, but for those in the professions using it as a rescue knife, that may be beneficial.

How is having a heavier knife beneficial? We have enough weight to carry already.
 
The d`allara IS, in fact, a little heavier than the Griptillian (my in hand analysis, no measurements to back it up). It probably just barely falls into the "heavy" category--but half of you are EDC manixes--you won't even notice this thing.

The heft isn't really an issue here, it's the girth when closed.

There's so much steel backing the FRN up, and though it appears to be skeletonized, this is responsible for the majority of the weight, I figure.

I haven't thought much about it, but now that I do, this might be the toughest folder for the money. This thing is pretty beefy. Apparently I use my knives differently than most because I've never broken a tip--so you that do break tips, check out this one and tell me how you think it'll fair in your tip breaking activities. It's not as fine as my para.

Next time there's a passaround, sign up for the D`allara--flick it open and closed whenever you get the chance, I'll bet you'll get used to it just fine and be impressed with the build of this knife for ~55 dollars. Okay, enough of me trying to convince yall.
 
I love my D'Allara more and more! It is easy for me to close one handed! It is a great knife!!! It IS a very beefy knife. It is comfortable for me to carry clipped to my jeans pocket; and is very comfortable in my hand.
 
The D'allara is 5.1oz and the 552/558 Griptillian is 3.75oz. The spyderco looks like it's thicker at the handle but I can't find any numbers on it.

- Chris
 
man, now i want to buy a d'allra to play with to compare to my native and mini grip. im going to get in serious trouble with the misses if i keep this up
 
Steven Andrews said:
How is having a heavier knife beneficial? We have enough weight to carry already.

I dunno. I though that possibly the extra weight might be beneficial for breaking a car window if nothing else were available. Personally I dislike the D'Allaria because of the extra weight.

To each his own.
 
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