Holy Cow! Thanks for the info Darrel. I dont know why I didnt think of that. Is that how you do it? Have to remember that when I buy my next custom. For those of you who dont mind wasting time answering stupid questions the more appropriate question would be how did some of you knife makers start. Ive seen several books and videos on the subject are they worth the money? IS there one excellent book or video? Could you learn how to make a decent knife? Also what would basic equipment, machinery be? Ive seen pictures of shops with several drills, saws, sanders ect. and some with one drill, one grinder and one saw, other tools are hand tools. Wondering what one would need to get started. If you all find these questions to dumb to answer just ignore me. I will go away eventually. Thanks