Dust Collection System

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I posted these questions over on the CKD Forums, but thought I would post here also in case I can get some valuable knowledge from makers who don't visit CKD.
I am setting up my Dust Master 1hp two-stage dust collector (got used, sits on 55gal drum) and I need to purchase a dust bag for it. The dust collector will be housed in a small insulated room attached to the outside of my grinding room and I plan to run metal ducting from it through the outside wall and along my "dirty bench" where my grinders, sanders will be. It came from a fabrication shop that used it on their metal grinders and sanders only for years. I asked the manufacturer about my application and metal grinding and he said the sell them mostly to metalworkers and it would work fine for it. He said they have never heard of any problems. Have you?
I called a distributer of Dust Master parts and they priced the 10 micron cotton sateen bag at $51 and the 5 micron knit polyester bag at $84. The gentleman I spoke with said I could get away with the larger micron bag (and save some $) since the collector would be in a separate room.
A few makers on the CKD forums posted concerns about fire. This has been a concern for me for a while as I have been planning this dust collection system. I am not sure how to handle it. I currently use a small water trap under my grinders and sanders, but don't know how effective it is. One person mentioned I talk to John Mallet at Tru-Grit about firebox designs to cut down on sparks getting to my collector, so I have a letter out to him and will post anything he tells me.
Also what would you recommend for micron size on my bag? Or if you know where I can find lower prices
on comparable bags. I called Delta and they want considerably more ($120!).
Any other suggestions or guidance about building an effective and safe, but not too expensive dust system for knifemaking would be much appreciated. I have searched the archives and have gleaned a number of ideas. It has taken me a few years to come this far on my system, but I still am unsure about the spark/fire issue.
FYI, I plan to hook up a standard single stage dust collector that I will switch over to when I am grinding wood, to keep wood dust out of the metal collector. From what I understand, this will help keep the system safe.
Thank you.
 
I ordered parts and a 1 1/2 hp vac system from Grizzly about 6 months ago. It was designed for wood not metal but the price was right! ;) Worked real well till a few weeks ago. The concerns you have are valid and I knew about them going into this. I was profiling A Ti bolstered folder and got lazy and didn't keep my box under the grinder very clean. As a matter of fact I hadn't cleaned out the bag for the vac either for 6 months. Now I am just a hobbist and have only made like 8 knives in that time frame. The Ti caught fire in the grinder box and quickly went into and out of my vac bag. About a dozen or so burn holes right thru! Thank God the metal and stuff in the bottom of the bag didn't catch fire too. I ended up sewing patches for about an hour. Lesson learned....... Keep grinder box clean and empty bag from time to time. :)
 
Thanks for the reply, Jim.
I still haven't heard anything from John at TruGrit. If I don't get a reply I will talk to him at the OKCA show.
I was hoping I would get more bites on this topic.
One more question.
Any recommendations on the minimum distance I should have the grinder from the collector? Right now I am planning to have it about 3-4 feet (with an inline spark-box), to maximize CFM. I have heard that some like to have more distance to allow sparks to extinguish before they get to the collector.
Any advice?
Thanks.
 
I built wooden box's under each of my 2 grinder's and 2 boxes behind my 2 buffers. They have a 4 inch connector that I screwed into the wood after I cut out a 4 inch hole for it to slide into. I put an inline wastegate under each box. This way I can open up just 1 gate for the unit I am working on and still get maximum vacuum power. All 4 are connected to a common 4 inch manifold that goes to the dust collector. While grinding Ti on the Wilton I can see sparks going down the tube and going out before they get to the vacuum.( unless you don't clean the big pile of Ti shavings in the box out first and they ignite and go down the tube! :)) I bought clear tubbing for this purpose. The dust collector is located about 15 feet away from the grinders. The system works well! There is considerable less dust on everything in the basement from the way it was before. I just wish I would have poped for it sooner. All in all I have about $400.00 tied up in all of it. Even while grinding G10 and Carbon fiber (with the vac on) there is practically no smell at all!
 
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