emerson commander - intital impressions

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well, i finally got my commander, wanted one ever since i got into knives and finally broke down and bought one. I've heard mixed reviews about this nice and despite the it's shortcomings and it's overpriced cost i still wanted one

for lock up i give this knife an 8 - the lock up is solid but the titanium liners are WAY too thin, especially for something that claims to be the number one hard use knife. nevertheless the lock up seems to be fine, doesn't close on a pretty hard spine whack. but still the thin liners doesn't instill confidence, there is little side to side blade play which can be eliminated by tightening the pivot screw but by doing that the knife is too hard to open and a bet counterproductive considering it's wave feature

for the smoothness i give it an 7.5 - it's pretty smooth but not that smooth, smoother then a 100 spyderco chinese folder yet only about the same as a 50 dollar Camillus EDC, how weird

for fit and finish i give it a 6 - overall the fit and finish is pretty good but i gave it a lower score cause for the 165 dollars i paid for it i expected more. the grind on the liner i pretty bad with lots of marks, my kershaw boa (90 bucks) with very similar construction in regards to scale and liner has much better grind and the scales and liner match up better too and the boa uses aluminum which imo is harder to work with then g10 since g10 has some flexibility to it. the black coating on the pivot pin started flaking off the moment i touched it with a screwdriver to adjust the tension, just great... and the stop pin is so small, once again for something called the number one hard use knife i expected it to be overbuilt not underbuilt

for the handle i give it a 9.5 - excellent ergos and it's big enough to get a really good grip on, the g10 is very grippy and all in all it's wonderful but in don't think anything is perfect henceforth the 9.5 score

for the blade i give it a 7.5 - the fact that it is sharpened on one side imo is simply retarded, at least for edc utility uses, since it's mainly a "hard use" knife which i translate to a hacking and chopping knife and a SD knife i guess the one sided edge makes sense, the knife was not too sharp out of the box, took me about 45 minutes to sharpen it down to a 20 degree angle with diamond stones, i think this might be kinda counterproductive since now the edge is probabl too thin for hard use. oh well i'll see how good the emerson 154cm is. the blade shape is wonderful i love recurves so that pretty much sums it up on that. the coating i find to be completely unecessary. somepeople who work near the ocean might say it's a good thing but 154cm is pretty stainless already and i hate coatings of any kind since they all eventually come off, and this hard chrome coating is suppose to be really strong yet, after i stabbed the knife repeatedly into three layers of cardboard about 20 times the coating from teh very tip of the knife chipped off already, guess it ain't THAT strong.

for the strength of the overall knife i give it a 8 - before i sharpened it to 20 degrees i believe the edge came from the factory at 25. so out of the box i decided to hack some stuff with it. i started hacking at three layers of cardboard and each whack up down at least an inch which is not bad i guess since i wasn't like whacking it all that hard, also each time i stabbed the three layers of cardboard i can get the knife through all the way up to the thumstud which i find pretty darn good, the really thick tip does inspire confidence when stabbing hard materials and the handle always makes my hands feel safe.

overall i think i gave the knife really good scores despite the bad things i had to say about it. All in all i really like this knife but i SERIOUSLY think that at 219 msrp and around 160 street price the knife is WAY overpriced. At around 120 i think it would make much more sense, cause for 120 i can get a benchmade with an axis lock thats smoother, has a stronger lockup and is of better quality
 
I completely agree with your assessment of the Commander. I went to check it out with the intention of buying it on sight, but I was really unimpressed. The liner thickness especially. As you put it, I'm sure it's durable, but this knife is being billed as super-tough. I was kind of annoyed because I really had my heart set on a Commander, but I after handling it I just didn't feel it was worth the money. Frankly, I think even your call of pricing the knife at $120 is too high. I'd take a BM 710 for $100 before the Commander at $120.

Anyway, I got an Al Mar SERE 2000 instead. I would HIGHLY recommend this knife. If you haven't handled one, it completely remedies every complaint you mention about the Commander. It is without question a much more finely crafted knife. Plus, it is significantly less money, with a street price of somewhere around $125. It of course lacks the "wave" feature, but I will take quality over gimmicks any day. Unless you dislike the blade shape or something, I think the Al Mar is the way to go.
 
Manji, thanks for the review.
I think some of the high-dollar production knives are living on past glory and brand-name.

I also think that people are really starting to realise just how much low-cost production knives have narrowed the "quality gap".
Companies like CRKT now offer knives of a quality just as good as any Emerson and at a much cheaper price.

Good luck,
Allen.
 
I was extreamly dissapointed with Emerson knives I had a couple a Commander and it had quite a bit of side to side and up and down blade play. The blade chipped out when I hit a staple in card board and this is supposed the #1 hard use knives in the world????:mad: I gave mine to friends who like them but don't know much about what makes a good knife. Like a few other knife companies out there it is all just HYPE!!!
 
I bought the CQC-7B and Commander strictly by Ernie's custom's reputation.
Loved the commader handle, very comfortable and the WAVE was very cool.
Latter fund out that his knife was not for me or at least not for my EDC needs.
I especially hated the " One side sharp edge or chisel grid"
because it is so hard to cut straight (Maybe I am not coordinated enough)
I can't cut open a letter because the sharp edge is on the wrong side for a right handed person.
I think his knifes are geared toward fighting, which I am not.
Just my $0.02.
 
Manji, thanks for the review.

Ladies and gents, the cost is so high because of the wave feature. How high this cost is depends upon how much the rest of the knife is worth. Big D1
 
I don't think the high price is due to the wave. The M-16 has the Carson flipper and it did not jack up the price on the CRKT. The flipper is not the wave but it is an extra piece of metal protruding from the blade. Even the big M-16 models with the Carson flipper, carbonfiber handle and AUS 118 steel is only a little over $100.

I like emerson designs but I don't like the high prices in light of the competition these days.
 
Slowhand took the words out of my mouth. Get a SERE 2000. For a very significant chunk of change less, you get a tank of a knife. Beautiful fit and finish...almost custom quality. You also get a beefy, thick-linered knife that has an incredibly satisfying lockup-- better than any other folder I have experienced. These knives were designed as folding survival knives.

They are also extremely balanced tools. A great knife; one of my 2 EDCs.
 
yah i keep hearing how good teh sere2000 is but i don't really like it based on the fact that i just don't! the shape is not very appealing to me but it does have a reversible clip which makes a big difference since im a lefty, maybe i'll pick one up later down the line
 
I own both the SERE 2000 and two Commanders (as well as many other folders). I like both of these folders very much. My EDC folder is the Commander.

The oveall finish on the SERE is superior to the Commander. However the overall shape of blade and scales make the Commander very user friendly. Plus, for the size, the Commander is very light weight. I cannot say that the SERE is a tougher knife than the Commander. Both seem to hold up well. The blade steel of the SERE seems a bit to brittle to me. The ATS of the Commander is a very tough and forgiving steel.

The wave feature cannot be measured, in dollars, by the amount of metal needed to make the wave. You pay a bit extra for the fact that it is a very, very handy and useable patented feature. Plus it is extremely easy to dismantle if necessary. Sometimes the best and most vaulable, dependable features are the the most simple.

My vote is for the Commander as an EDC folder. I often times also carry the Emerson in a quick deployment sheath. It is a very flexible carry knife.
 
I've had a couple of Commanders now, the first one had all of Manji's forementioned idiosyncracies, as well as horrible liner rubbing, a loose lock, and just atrocious fit and finish. The second one was much better, more to the description given in this review. Wound up gettin' rid of #2 because I just could NOT get along with the chisel ground edge.

Incidentally though, I have a friend who swears he could put a normal, V type bevelled edge on a plain edge Commander since the blades themselves are hollow ground on both sides. Thinkin' I may give a Commander a third try. So far I haven't stayed in love with one, but the blade shape, handle ergonomics, and the wave opening do motivate me towards one last try.

Had a SERE 2K as well. AWESOME knife, and better than my Commander for both EDC as well as uses that you'd want a "hard use knife"

I'll let y'all know how it goes if I get that Commander and a decent edge put on it.
 
This thread is giving me a headache. I just get finished telling how my Commander is my favorite EDC. Then I hear all of the positive comments about the SERE. So I take my primo condition SERE out of the case, and sure enough ---- it is a beautiful knife.

I am so confused. Ah -- the confusion that comes with collecting knives.
 
LOL Jay.., yup.., it is tough.., and I actually think the SERE and the Commander are pretty darn good knives (although I've seen some Cammanders that must have been put together by "after-school help"...lol).

I have one of the first batch of Commanders.., and the MSRP was certainly "hyped" beyond reason. The knife is actually a very good one.., and even taking it apart and -looking-, the component work was done well. Since back then I have seen maybe 8-10 taken down for fix-up, cleaning, etc..., and I'd have to say the QA on the knife is really inconsistent.

Soooooo.., I'd lean toward the SERE simply because I haven't heard a really major negative comment about the piece.., and the price is very reasonable IMO.


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
well let me add some more remarks since i've been using the commander for a couple of days now. first of all yes the knife is not very heavy for a knife this large however the reason maybe be because of the the thin liners... but Ti is pretty light anyways, i wouldn't mind it being heavier if it had thicker liners OR the liners were made of steel which i personally think make better liner material. Yes, the wave feature is both cool and practical... and yes really are paying a lot for the patented wave feature, therein lies the evil of exclusitivity. Anyways one thing that i've noticed is the simiplicity of the knife, the back spacer is small and the knife is very exposed... this allows for cleaning without field stripping; however, this knife has to be the simplest of all my knives to take apart and put back together which may be a big plus for those out in the field a lot, the single sharpened edge is great for SD but pretty much worthless for more civil utility tasks even though it would work great i assume as a small camp knife if need be. that being said i never intended to say that the commander is a bad knife, in fact i think overall it's a pretty good knife it's just the fact that it's SO OVERPRICED that gets to me.... you can easily find knives with better quality and better/similar material for less.
 
Skag,

Not only does it have a pocket clip, but it has an innovative pocket clip. It is attached not to the side of the knife, in the scale-- but to the butt of the knife, into the giant chunk of SS spacer. This makes the knife ride very low in the pocket. It is not exactly your Emerson wave, as far as opening speed is concerned, but it is good for discrete carry. (...if the clip was actually smaller :))
 
That SERE clip is a great design. For the price of a Commander, I would also look at Microtech. If you like the Commander style, maybe look at the Amphibian. I really like the MT products. I have a SOCOM Elite auto and a SOCOM M/A and they both are superior to the Commanders (IMHO) I've seen for about the same money. I have heard that the MT QA/QC is at times inconsistent, but the two examples I have are uniformly very good. The MT clip design leaves a little to be desired. It goes tip down, and a significant portion of the hinge is over your pants pocket, leaving no question as to what the knife is. The clip should be positioned lower on the scale. Also, the clip is not reversible. I am right handed, but I think that is a pretty glaring omission. Anyway, I don't want to give the impression that I am disparaging the Commander. Its just that for my money and personal tastes, there are better choices out there.
 
I saw the only titanium handled MT Amphaibian made and it was $2,000!:eek: Very cool knife!
 
The Commander was the first tactical folder I ever bought. I have to say I agree with Manji's review completely.

A few more observations:

The size and ergonomics of the knife is perfect, I've never found it's equal, except in the Kasper.

The screws were a big problem, while they can be taken down with a simple owl, they are entirely too soft. They tend to get cut up by screw drivers.

Opening the folder with the "Wave" generates a huge amount of stress on the lock. My liner quickly moved all the way over and eventually lead to up-down blade play.

The "Wave" really is a great feature though, if I could find a more robust knife with the "Wave" I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
 
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