Emerson in Blade Mag

David T

David T

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Anyone get their May 2000 copy of Blade Magazine. They have a picture of a waveless commander with blue liners. They have a mini articles about Emerson's custom/production offering. He was quoted as giving a (2) month wait for the semi custom knives. Hum.....?

Moteng, the knife distributor also has a ad for the Mach 1. Didn't know it was available yet.
 
From the look of the knives in the article, they sure look close to his custom knives.A concern should be that someone could buy a semi-production Emerson then try and pass it off as a custom Emerson. This has been done before, not by Emerson but by others who have been purchased and then resold the knives.

Specifically the semi-custom knives that Emerson sold at the Jan 1998 Las Vegas Classic knife show. A customer of mine came up and showed me the knife at the Nov New York show and told me he paid $850 for what he thought was a custom Emerson. I thine got to inform him that it was actualy a $350 semi-custom knife. He came very close to calling me a liar. I told him to ask Emerson who was right behind me. He did so and Emerson confirmed my story.

What caused him to do this, is that the mark on this knife was the same as on Emerson's custom knives.

As I have stated before, there has to be a complete difference in the marking of the blade to stop this. Currently, both custom, factory and semi-custom all have a Specwar Logo of some type.

Consequently, it is easy for customers to be fooled by those who assure them that this is a custom Emerson.

Derek, this is the potential problem. This is what was allueded to in my original post.

Les


[This message has been edited by Les Robertson (edited 03-03-2000).]
 
Custom/Production: The ability to choose a "production" knife model and "custom"ize that knife by choosing from a few options ie; anodized liners, blade finish, aluminum handle.

David T,
The initial shipment of Mach 1's are being completed as we speak. So far, no one but a few writers have one. I am sure that Moteng added it to their latest catalog to avoid having to reprint/supplement later. I am sure that they are taking orders from their dealers against what they have ordered for the year.


Les,
For someone who does not like us or our knives, you sure do spend a great deal of time reading/posting to our forum. So far, I have let you post away with impunity and I will continue to do so. However, I will caution you that this latest post of yours is borderline personal attack.

Things here are going along quite nicely, there is no need for you to come in and stir things up when you really have no facts and nothing of weight to add to this particular thread.

Take care,
Derek Russell
 
Les,

Based on what I was told those knives are basically a customized version of a production knife. Not a custom hand made knife by Ernie. The 2 months lead time is needed to acquire enough orders to do them in batches and not one at a time which would obviosly be cost prohibitive.

I doubt very seriously that Ernie is doing the work himself.

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Derek, you will LET Les speak in here??? What are we in communist Russia? With all the lies,deception, and utterly honorless way Ernie has done business these last few years, I think Les has shown restraint.
Who else in this business has pushed customers wait time from 18 months to 5 or 6 years? Who else has put orders he agreed to(essentially a contract) on hold so he can take advantage of being hot and start a production company? And now a semi-production company.
Does he make a strong and decent knife? Yes.
But he doesnt have a clue about integrity.
 
Derek,

I have edited my original post to make my point clearer.

We know Emerson is not making the knives, hell he can't fill 6 year old custom orders.

As for posting with impunity, yes I will continue to do so. Please feel free to chime in when you think I have said something that is false. As you did with this thread.

Derek you are unaware of part of Emerson's history. For instance when he called me 4 years ago, asked if it was me and then told me the next time he sees me he is going to kick my ass. I don't know about you, but this goes well past the borderline.

Also, he did the same with Kit Carson and Allen Elishewitz. Don't take my word for it Derek, contact those makers.

So don't you dare sit there and preach to me about borderline personal attacks.

Derek, in addition to your role as moderator here, Perhaps you could be of more help to Emerson if you were to help him get rid of his 18 month (well you know 5year) back log. Had you been there in November, you could have stopped the near Exhausted Emerson and kept him from putting the factory CQC7 logo's on the custom CQC6's.

Oh yea, on Lifers post....what he said!

Les

[This message has been edited by Les Robertson (edited 03-03-2000).]
 
Derek, it's nice to see that you are joining this forum. We can now get the inside info from Emerson Knives.

I personally look forward to Les's posts. It's no secret that Les & Ernie don't get along but, I don't think Les sits there all day to think of bad thing to say about Ernie. Most of Les's post are just answers to help other forum memeber with questions.

I really don't think that Les's post above was a personal attack. He was just stating the fact that someone could modify a Commander himself. Not that the factory option was a waste of time.

Now with that said, let's talk about knives.
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Derek -

I think it is reprehensible for you to "chime in" on this topic after having been completely silent in thread after thread which posed questions about Emerson Knife Co. and the custom business. If you're moderating here, or even if you're simply representing the company, have the decency to respond to your customers/posters legitimate questions. Attacking Les's opinions is the last function you should be fulfilling, given the history between Ernie and Les.

Since you are here now, though, how about some straight answers to previously posed questions?
1. How are custom orders filled - by order number sequence or by batches of specific knife types?
2. What order number are you on now?
3. Why did the blade finish on customs - after being satin for a decade - change to bead blast just when EKC knives appeared with that finish?
4. Why the secondary bevel on customs now, after 15 years of single bevel?
5. Who will be doing the "semi-custom"ization on the new knives - Ernie himself, or those working for him?
6. Why permit customization of production knives when customers can't get a CQC6 custom ordered (ie satin blade, right hand grind)?

These are just a few of the questions which have been raised in this forum over the past month or so that you have seen fit to ignore, while then bringing some ill-suited self-righteousness to Les's relatively innocent, as well as perfectly truthful(!), remarks.

I really look forward to responses on any or all of the questions that have been posed to the company.

Semper Fi, Mac.

3/4/00 - After posting the above, I learned of the information below. I now feel the tone of these comments was inappropriate, as they were made without knowing much of this added information. I apologize to Derek for being harsher than he merited receiving, and, if you look at his other thread he responds in a timely manner. Guess I'll count to ten next time before posting.

[This message has been edited by jbravo (edited 03-04-2000).]
 
2 month waiting period my foot. I have been waiting over 3 months for the Website store to open (it said that they would be up in a couple of weeks!). I am on EST, I have absolutely no idea what time zone Emerson lives in (or has time simply stopped?)!

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Derek,

Feel free to jump in here anytime.

Actually, you have been placed or placed yourself in a lose-lose situation.

We all know you are not responsible for the mess that Emerson knives is in (on the custom side).

However, you now find yourself in a untenable postion. The members of Blade Forums, now look to you for answers to questions that have been unanswered for years (see JBravo Post).

Good Luck.

Les
 
Derek is on the west coast, in San Diego, and is in the Navy. He can not normally post during the day so this should help explain his absence up to this point.

Les,

I don't doubt a word you say, but you do tend to say things that are and possibly should be left between you and Ernie. I know you are not politaclly correct and nor am I. Screw me and you will hear about it, but I do get over it. Look at my situation with Microtech and Benchmade as an example.

Why don't you make a web page on your site so when you need to refer to whatever it is you feel you need to say you can just point people there
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It would make my life a bit easier, not that you would care
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Anyway, what does not need to be rehashed is the personal issues between Ernie and yourself. Just stick with the particular issue addresed in the thread and everything will be just fine.

Derek,

There are some issues that get brought up in the forums that seem to never be answered or skipped over. Please, if you can, make a list like the one above and address these issues with Ernie so his customers can get a clear answer as to the status of their orders. Or post the phone number so they can call Jennifer and get that info.

Thanks.

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Mike,

My response to Derek, was not rehasing old facts. It was in direct response to his comment about my "borderline personal attack".

It was evident that he did not realize that in fact Emerson had committed what in most states is considered the Assault part of Assault and Battery. Not just once, but at least 3 times. So I thought it best that he was no longer ignorant of the facts.

Mike, there is a lot more personal history that is not discussed in here. By both myself and other forum members who have stories to tell. Stories that would make grown men openly weep!!!

My points are vaild to the thread and factual.

I for one am confused why you allow a fourm to exsist where the main person has only made one post since last November. Thats right, there has not been one thread or question answered by Emerson himself in almost 4 months. Derek by my count has made 2-3 posts this year.

If a company or individual is going to have a forum, shouldnt they be more active? Isn't that the idea, that you can actually get answers from either the maker or the maufacturer.

Since this is has not take place with any semblence of regularity. I would suggest that all the posts in the forum could just as easily be posted in the custom knife or general forum.

Mike, as you have stated Derek is on active military status. As you are prior military you know what kinds of demands that can put on your time. With this in mind, perhaps you could contact Emerson and ask him to take a much more active role in his forum. Possilby arange one or two nights that he can come on his forum and answer questions that get asked over and over again and are never answered.

Mike the question has been asked for over 18 months "has anyone on the forum received a custom order directly from Emerson". Mike, I think you would agree that you have a pretty large group of knife people here at Blade Fourms. Oddly enough, not one person has come forward in the last 18 months.

Mike in lieu of asking me to become more PC. Perhaps you should lock this forum until Emerson has answered the questions of so many of your other memebers.

Mike, I was hurt deeply, almost brought to tears when you said I didnt care if I made your life easier. So, to show that I really do care about making your life easier, Im going to help you pay the bills! Ill be sending in the $300 for my own forum!

Party at my place!!!!!

Les



[This message has been edited by Les Robertson (edited 03-03-2000).]
 
Hey Guys,

Only 11 more posts here and the little folder catches fire!

Les

"Nobody throws me my own guns and tells me to run. Nobody!"

James "Britt" Coburn ..Magnificent Seven
 
Well, this has certainly taken a different spin then I expected.

To all,
When I originally said what I did to Les, his post in no way resembled what it does now. It would seem that Mike and possibly David T are the only ones who saw what I did before Les edited his post. Hindsight being 20/20, I should have used the reply with quote feature so there would be no question as to the content of the original post.

I will attempt to paraphrase Les's original post.
"So a Commander with out the wave and colored liners. All you have to do is take a production knife, polish the liners and ,ta da, custom Emerson. Not that anyone
would do that
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This, more or less, is what I was responding to. Had Les posted what is there now, it is unlikely I would have even read it that closely let alone reacted to it. Les has said many things on this forum and you will not see too many replies from me one way or another about it. Les has posted many things to this forum I did not agree with. He also normally backs what he says with the facts as he sees them. In this case, it was a more "hit and run" kind of post.

I feel that, in fairness, Les should have simply posted a response to my comments clearing his position up. By essentially deleting his original message, he altered the content of the thread. I really only have one hard line policy in regards to this forum. I will NEVER edit/delete someones post. The only moderating that I have attempted to do here was to try and move a for sale post to the appropriate forum. When that did not work, I re-opened the thread and asked the poster to edit the message himself.

I do understand your reactions to what has become this thread. Being objective, I would have felt the same way had I come in where most of you did. All I ask is that you reexamine my position given the gist if Les's original post.

In closing, I apologize for not being more active on this forum. I have contacted a number of you by private email to help with individual situations. Unfortunately, this does not help out the majority on this forum. By way of clarification, I am full time active duty Navy in addition to having a wife and daughter that take priority over everyting else. There are 2 other Emerson forums that I am the moderator of as well. This is not meant as an excuse. I simply wish to account for my time lest you all think that I am shirking any responsibilities. I will make a concerted effor in the future to get to all of the questions in a more timely fashion. I do, ask that you all bear with me though.

Les,

Thank you for your "education". Since you really do not know me from Adam, it is strange that you should suggest what I know or do not know about you and Ernies history. Do not confuse silence with ignorance. There are simply things of a more personal nature that we should both choose not to discuss on a public forum.

For the record, I have posted 28 times including this in the year 2000.

Peace all,
Derek Russell
 
AH....allllrighty then.
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Now that we're all friends again. Did anyone see the pictures I was talking about in Blade Magazine.
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PARTY AT LES'S PLACE!!!!! I bring the beer.
 
I didn't see the pictures, but ...

Is a waveless commander really a commander? To me, the wave is one of the requisite features of the commander. Without it, it becomes something entirely different. I would have no interest in purchasing another liner-lock-that-looks-similar-to-a-commander, but without the wave.
 
Bob,

I feel the same way as you do but, we are amazed at the number of requests for one.

We have recieved email from people who have written to tell us that sometimes, when they take their Commander out of their pocket, it will open!! (yeah, and with some practice, it will open every time!!
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It is amazing to me that someone would consider buying one and had no idea that The Wave was a feature.

take care,
Derek
 
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