Emerson in books...

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Hey guys! Thought you'd get a kick out of this. It's an excerpt from a book called "Finder" by Greg Rucka. The main character is a bodyguard, and the story is told from his perspective.

"Can I see your knife?" I asked Denny
He hesitated, and then Moore said, "What's he going to do with it, boy? You can hand it over."
Denny shot me a sheepish look and handed over the knife. I turned back to face the road and examined it, and it was exactly what I thought it was, and that didn't make me happy at all.
Knives are fetish objects for most professional soldiers, and the higher trained the person, the more knife choice matters. It's not simply that they're looking for a knife that can cut well; it's a multipurpose tool that needs to be as rugged as, in theory, the soldier himself. What's the point of carrying a knife that won't open after you've slogged through a swamp, or rusts if you take it underwater, or loses its edge once you've cut a throat to the bone?
The knife Denny handed me, and the knife Trouble had pulled at The Strap, and I assumed the knives Moore and Knowles were carrying were all the same model, one called the Emerson CQC-6. CQC stands for "close quarter combat." It's a folding knife that can be opened with one hand. The blade is aggressive, very sharp, and the tanto point makes it ideal for cutting, thrusting, or chopping. Good for chopping kindling, or killing, depending on your preference.
It's a knife that the special forces community covets, the way they covet Rolex watches; they always want the best equipment. Like the Rolex, it's a lodge pin of sorts - you have one, you're a member of the club. You have both, you've been paying your dues.
So I was sitting in a car with three special forces-trained soldiers. The only question was which group, and I already didn't like the answer to that one.
I closed the knife and handed it back to Denny, saying, "'Who dares wins.'"

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What a load of crap. Casio G-Shock is the choice of Special Ops groups. Most team members can't afford a Rolex let alone stand the chance of losing it in the field. I'm a little sick of this "book" crap. Weekend warrior bulls**t. And I really doubt many of our elite warriors carry a Emerson Handmade. Have any of you ever been in the field? I have.....as a Corpsman with a USMC FMF unit. It will FUBAR almost anything you have...including a $1000+ knife. Folders sux in the field. Fixed blades rule all the way. Not to mention the ease at which your gear can be liberated without your knowledge.

jc




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The book IS fiction. It makes for good reading. As far as what SpecOps guys carry, it has been covered here many times.

If memory serves, someone explained the Rolex thing came from Nam. I also heard from a Vietnam Veteran recently that Rolex's were actually relatively cheap in Vietnam. That wasn't even black market. My friend in SF said he would carry a custom Emerson if he could get one. maybe not in the field, but all of his work isn't in the field.
 
I don't know, I'm not SF. Apparently, people like Greg Walker have seen some Emersons and Rolexs around the SF Community...or, maybe JC knows what he's talking about and Walker does not...

I was under the impression, real world now, the fictional account above put aside...

That the Rolex was a status symbol for SF Troopers. And that Custom Knives in General were as well...

Personally, I took this thread just for what it was, a commentary on a work of fiction. I see nothing wrong with that.

Perhaps BFC should start another Forum for JC and call it, "Bitch Session." 'Cause all I see is alot of bitching from him.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
The only watch I have worn for the last 15 years is a Rolex GMT master (its the only watch I own). I have carried Emerson customs for several years (CQC-8 for a majority)until they became so expensive, and I usually have a Strider fixed blade close by. I am sure that this qualifies me as a pogue wannabe by jc, but those who know me know what I do on a daily basis, and I won't lower myself to the I am a bigger bad a** than you. I enjoy reading Marcinko's books for pure entertainment, just like I watch movies for entertainment. I don't critique them because I have worked on movies and believe me they don't listen to the gun people for accuracy content. Most of the stuff is fiction based on something read in some gun or knife rag. I think you will find that most of the real pros out there carry folders on a daily basis. We all know that fixed blades are far stronger, but not generally as handy. Just like rifles are better than handguns, just not as handy. Contrary to what has been posted, you will find that Emerson knives (especially the production stuff) is quite popular among real deal operators.

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I'm not trying to start a bitch session on the Rolex/Emerson subject, but I really doubt many SF dudes use them in the field.

Without a doubt a Rolex is a fine time piece, but it doesn't hold a candle to a G Shock when it comes to reliablity and durability. I think those two attributes are what's desired in a field watch. As far as the Emerson knife....just plain too expensive to risk loosing or breaking.

When I was in Navy Corspman training one of the other students was a BM SEAL who was changing rates. He told me Casio and KBar were the watch/knife combo of choice. He told me the basics are the best for getting the job done. Anyway, Coronado is a really cool place and the Amphib Base bar rocks!

Let's face facts, once someone has had the determination to become a SEAL, Marine Recon, Ranger, etc. I really don't think they need a Rolex or Emerson to boast ther egos.

Hey, no one is poug wannabe just because they wear a Rolex and carry a Emerson. Hell, I wear a Omega Speedmaster Moon Watch (not as expensive as a Rolex, but still expensive) and carry a HALOIII. That doesn't make me a wannabe Astronaut with a penile complex? LOL!

jc

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Hey Everyone,
Take a second and read the first line of Chris's post "I thought you would get a kick out of this"
Why is there so much negativety in this forum lately?
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Uhhh... what JimBob said. JC - it's FICTION. The book is about a rouge SAS brick kidnapping a little girl - I don't think they do THAT in the real world, either. I just liked the description the main character did about the Emerson, and thought the rest of the suspects would get a good chuckle from it.

And, for the record, my dad was a SEAL. He carried whatever worked.

Oh yeah, BTW - I'm pretty "real", thanks. I could insult you back, I suppose, but where would that get us?

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Hey, the get real comment was uncalled for so I edited it out. I guess it is cool to see your favorite toys mentioned in a book or seen on TV. Again, fiction is sometime more fun than reality
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jc
 
Agree with JC on this one. I don't think he's personally attacking anyone, just trying to make an extremely valid point in my opinion.

Check out http://www.dfas.mil/money/milpay/priorpay/

Most SF regardless of branch are E6/E7 with over three years of srevice. You'll notice that the pay isn't exactly stellar. Not exactly the type of salary to keep one in 1K knives and wrist watches, and that's if your single. Not all SF folks are single snake eaters.

The upshot is, at least for me, is that some luxury equipment items have been equated with certain military units, as being in use by them, evaluated by them, catalogs sent to them etc and this is used as an extremely successful marketing strategy towards the civilian market. The reality is utterly different.

Is a short stout fixed blade more useful for the average soldier? Yes

Does TA-50 get stolen constantly? Yes

Are folders essential pieces of personal equipment? Yes

Is the most important knife the one you always have with you? Yes!

Enjoy your knives, watches, etc, but take an instant to realize that almost every one on this forum are the few who value performance/esthetics more than the average bear. Sometime we get a little wrapped up in what is "best."
 
Times change, and what is 'in' with certain units changes, too. Back in my day (stifle those groans, youngsters), Rolexes were a common sight on Recon and STA Marines, and the reason was they were the closest thing to indestructable you could buy. Mine cost me 1 1/2 month's gross pay as a Lance Corporal, but it was the only watch I ever needed - land, sea, or air. Nowadays, I'm sure there's something else that's cool and does the job, probably a Panerai.

Same with knives, boots, sunglasses, and all your gear. Just the nature of elite guys - they want the best you can get, whatever the "best" is.
 
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