Ergos vs. Straight Handles

Jerry Busse

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There has been a lot of bantering about this subject recently. In my opinion, any subject that can arouse such emotion can only speak volumes about the passion that our customers and forumites have about their Busse Knives. . . .Thank God! Wouldn't it be sad if the response to us changing our design was nothing more than a resounding yawn.

I would love to disagree with those of you who long for the return of the straight handled models but it would be very difficult to do so without seeming a bit hypocritical. Do I love the old straight handled designs? Well, yeah, I designed them.

The Steel Heart, for example, evolved for years into its final version. The bird's beak Steel Heart came first and I thought it was the sexiest design to ever fall from a bar of steel. Customers suggested that there wasn’t sufficient chopping power with a 6 ½” blade. We lengthened it to 7 ½” and called it the Steel Heart II – Problem Solved.- some loyal customers canceled orders, some asked for the return of the old model, but overall, sales greatly increased along with the value of the previous model. Input from the field that the handles were too small and that it was difficult to pound stakes with the butt or to use it as a hammer led to the introduction of the rounded butt and larger handles - Problem Solved - some loyal customers canceled orders, some asked for the return of the old model, but overall, sales greatly increased along with the value of the previous models. Feedback that the smooth micarta handles were slippery when wet led to the intro. of the grooved micarta handles which in turn led to the diamond quilted texture – Problem Solved - some loyal customers canceled orders, some asked for the return of the old model, but overall, sales greatly increased along with the value of the previous models. Continued reports of “pinky pinching” and wrist fatigue under heavy usage led to the slanting of the rear talon and a much more ergonomic design with better handle vs. edge position. This was accomplished with the assistance of my Physical Therapist’s and Orthopedic Surgeon’s input – Problem Solved - some loyal customers canceled orders, some asked for the return of the old model, but overall, sales have greatly increased along with the value of the previous models.

Are the straight handled models better looking? Who knows? More importantly, who cares? Remember the Busse Combat motto: “The beauty is in the performance”. The performance of the new Ergo models is better than the previous models and this has been proven in extensive field test evaluations.. . . . That is all we should care about isn’t it? I suppose ideally, Yes. . . . Realistically? That’s probably not possible. We hang out on these forums because we are inexplicably drawn to fine bladeware. . . Is it some ancient instinct passed on through our DNA or is it a passion that we have been blessed with? I have no idea. I’m just glad to have it and to have been given the opportunity to pursue it on a daily basis. I am, likewise, lucky to have so many fellow “Nuclear Nuts” with whom to share this love of knives.

So, please continue to give us feedback. Simply look at the large number of style changes in the Steel Heart alone.. . . feedback is what has been responsible for all of our previous modifications. Thank you for your input, but mostly for sharing your deep love of knives.


Yours in a Knuclear passion for Knives.

Jerry Busse




[This message has been edited by Jerry Busse (edited 03-09-2001).]
 
Thank you Jerry.

I like the "E" handles and you make one heck of a useful knife. I have chopped with both the straight handle and the "E" handle and I know the difference.

Please continue to discuss your thoughts and reasoning behind your designs and models.

One of my favorite things is to allow people to hold my Steel Heart E and then after they have held it for a few minutes I tell them it weighs 16 ounces. They all find it hard to believe because of the "feel" and "balance" of the knife. The knife does not feel like it weighs a pound.

Thank you again and keep on grinding them out.
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Jerry, God Bless your Steel-lovin' Heart!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts & listening / learning from user feedback;
U deserve a Haiku:
{Composed from your thots above...}

Basic tools of life:
"Beauty is in Performance"
Sexiest knives yet!

{i really haven't written this much poetry since the 5th grade: see what your contest rousted?}
i love this forum; i love Busse products: thanks for making them worthy.
Knuclear Knifer Eternal,
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Just as people in racing cried out about 6 vs the 8 cyl motors in indy, Change does invoke the rath of many fans... discussion does not always help those of us who are hard headed
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... I too did not care for the e-handle until I used them, Are they different? Heck yes! The shame of it is that pro or con discussion seems to separate all of us into factions. I think the only thing that will help is team Busse talking about the differences and not being afraid of the customer Knee jerk re-action though it is not my livley hood flashing before my eyes!
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I feel that after this last big change and the months that have followed , that most Busse lovers are realizing that change is for the performance.If the end users are the ones talking about the differeces and we don't really expect the big changes as between the SHII and the E-SHII then the problems begin. I will say that though I really do not know Jerry on a personal level to know him well ,if one reads his posts and really "listens" to what is said, I do not feel he is trying to go "backwoods" with his work, He is moving foward. Sometimes it seems that he has to DRAG some of us along...

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You go you nuclear tough steel grindin' fool you!
Yours in nuclear stupid responses,
Lenny
 
Jerry, well said. Keep up the great work.

Yours in Nuclear "waitin for the folder"

Mike

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So.... this means your bringing back the straight handles again???

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Jerry, thanks for the post, I can see where you're coming from. I will concede that the E design is a step forward in searching for the ultimate do-all blade. It's sharp, tough, comfortable and screams of utility. I currently own one and I am on my way to another. If I walk into any situation where my life or another's may depend on a knife, you can bet I'll be carrying a Busse E.
I found out about your knives in 1995 in an article by a major knife magazine. Regrettably, I didn't purchase my first until the fall of 2000. I have since dug up the old articles and ads for the old line.
I know you understand ones passion for blades. There is an extreme amount of frustration in not being able to get some of the earlier models. Like missing out on some history by not owning and test driving the foundation of the Busse Line. Yeah, there are some out there but your blades have ALWAYS been affordable and usable. Paying a collectors price for a blade (while worth the extra $) puts it out of the "usable" category for me.
Maybe luck will be with me and I might get hold of some of the former models, maybe not. If interest prevails, maybe there could be a "second generation" of straights.
Meanwhile me and my E will be challenging all before us. And I will be recommending them to all of my fellow knife enthusiasts.
I do look forward to the announcement of new models. I appreciate the time you put to the forum so we can understand a little about the man behind the blades. Good luck in all your new frontiers.
 
I like the new styles, but prefer the old straight handled models MUCH more. I also prefer smooth, highly contoured handles to the squarish handles w/ ridges or the quilted Micarta.

Perhaps Busse Combat should consider selling straight handled models under the name of "Classic Battle Mistress," etc...

My 3 cents...

 
Fantastic post, Jerry. I appreciate your addressing this subject and your insight on it. We know that your motives for the change to ergo handles was only to improve the performance of the knives. And we also know that Busse knives have always been intended for hard work under brutal conditions, and not primarily to just be collected and displayed. A lot of us die-hard Busse fans will always favor the old straight handled models foremost, but we will always be die-hard Busse fans nevertheless, and we can rest assured that regardless what changes may come it is because you will always make the best knife you know how, and you refuse to produce a design you think is second best, even if it's your own.

Having said that, I guess we can agree to disagree on whether the "best" Busse design is the E handle or the straight handle. But you're right--if we didn't care one way or the other, this wouldn't be nearly so passionate a debate.

 
Ahhh, nothing like a few guys mass debating about Busse.
Sounds like completely normal behavior
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ok, sorry. I'll leave quietly now
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Okay, here's the good news. . . all of the new small models will have STRAIGHT Handles. . . . . .I've kinda been holding out on that. . .. cool huh?

Yours in nuclear straightness (in every sense of the word)

Jerry Busse
 
I think the E-handles on the bigger blades are great but on the Badger size blades i dont care for them like the old straight handles better.

Gary
 
Jerry Jerry quite contrary, how your following grows!

Hi Jennifer!

Did you happen to catch my awesome modified Stealth Hawk Variant on the Knife Exchange? I got so many e-mails I thought my computer was going to start smoking.

See ya brother!

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Jerry, thanks for the news release! Update when you can, I am already setting $ aside so we can do business. Thanks for responding to your followers, which are many. Thanks for making the best blades anywhere.
 
I feel it's because of my larger hand size but the curved E-handles beat up the palm of my hand were as the striahgt ones don't. That's why I like to old better than then new. I think the E's are cool as **** though.

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Since my only Busse is a straight Steelheart II, I'll say "Straight is Great!" However, I wouldn't mind if Jerry wants to give me an E-handled mate for my knife -- just so I could do him the favor of comparison testing, you know...
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Seriously, I see the E-handled models seem to have a bit more handle and a bit less edge in the same overall size. That the angled handle helps chopping power has been established for... well, for millenia. Since I don't spend a lot of time chopping (or I'd use an ax), I am just happy that my knife CAN chop when necessary.

For most of us, the choice is partly aesthetic and partly a matter of "personal ergonomics," hand size and such. Either style works; I have no complaints about my straight knife.
 
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