Fake "wave" conversions?

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Does anyone have scans or pics of their attempts at cutting a Spyderco opening hole into a "wave"?

I'd like to give it a whirl but I'd like to see other people's work first.

NOTE: It's not violating a patent if it's for personal use and you're not profiting from it. Besides, I just bought one of the REAL Wave knives from Emerson. It just hasn't arrived yet.
 
I don't have the exact link handy, but....check out Phil Elmores site "The Martialist" He's got an article on that very topic this month that might be worth reading.

Ah...hell..here.... http://www.themartialist.com/

Can't find the exact article off hand...it was the one written by Morgan Atwood (Known as Satin 'round here)

If Ya' can't find it maybe Satin or Phil will be able to getcha pointed in the right direction.
 
I'm also curious about this... I've been thinking a Benchmade 550 would be quite cool given some grinder time to remove the front part of the hole opener...
 
do a search, someone did this to their AFCK - but it was butt, and I mean butt-freaking-butt ugly. He said it worked great though. Search under "zip ties" I think, the topic was making a WAVE by attaching a zip tie to the opening hole.
 
I did a Morgan Atwood conversion on my Delica and it turned out pretty well. I used a dremel and went VERY slowly and kept dipping the blade in ice water to keep it from ruining the temper. My Delica opens like a rocket now.
Matt
 
There was an article at The Martialist about these conversions, yes, but I took it down when an "Internet Law" attorney I consult on occasion told me that it was inadvisable to have it in the publication because the Wave is a patented feature.
 
Well....at least now I know I wasn't hallucinating it...

Dang...it was a pretty neat little topic too, even though I can fully appreciate the reasons for makin' it go away.

BTW, I've been putting three small zipties through the opening holes of my Axis AFCK and my large Ascent for awhile now The Ascent has always worked like a charm, but the Axis lock too awhile to break in with that kinda opening. I've found it to actually be much more reliable than a Waved Emerson with that kinda opening. I've never had them break really, and even if they do there's two more of 'em in line, although It's a pretty good idea to change out the zip ties yearly. After a year or so I found the ones on the Ascent were getting a little bit loose, but the biggest problem was the filth collected in them.
 
As Phil said, article was a patent violation, teaching how to, so it went bye bye. But heres some pics of mods -

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Above and below are basic Endura mods - just used a belt sander (or dremel) to cut into the hole and then slowly lower the spine so the pocket is guided in better.
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My all time fav wave:
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Spyderco Civillian with a wave mod. Same idea, opened up the hole, spine reprofiled to look original, and guide well to the pocket lip.

You can also do Griptilian's like this. Any tip up knife with an opener hole.
 
Here's a Griptilian I did after seeing all the other sucesses with the "tsunami mod".
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Ohh, that's awesome....


Who owns the patent on wave blades??? Does anyone?
 
Originally posted by Lhet
What are the advantages of having a wave opener?
As you draw the knife it catches on the lip of your pocket, pulling the blade open. Well, not if you dont wish it to, if you wish it not to you just draw it so it doesnt, simple. For instinctual drawing of a folder, it cant be beat, If for self defense or emergency reasons you need a fast opening folder, one with a wave is what you need. :)
 
but I took it down when an "Internet Law" attorney I consult on occasion told me that it was inadvisable to have it in the publication because the Wave is a patented feature.

If you read many US Patents, they begin with the phrase, "This patent teaches a method for..." The verb is "teaches." The purpose of a patent is to teach. The social contract on a patent is that society will give you the sole right to profit from an invention for 17 years (extendable to 21 in many cases) AND, in exchange for that short and specific period of exclusivity, you will teach society all about your invention.

The whole purpose of patents is disclosure. In fact, part of the stack of documents you file with the PTO is called a "Disclosure." And that disclosure becomes a public document. You can go to the PTO's offices and look at it for free. Or, if you find that inconvenient, you can go to the PTO's website and buy a copy of Mr. Emerson's patent for some trivial administrative fee, something like $10.

And you can copy Mr. Emerson's design all you want... you just can't sell it; it's got to be for your own personal use.

The hope that society has in making this deal is first that in 17 years, all businesses will be able to use the patented design which will be good for everyone. But, beyond that, that disclosing the design will encourage inspire others to make new inventions even before the original patent expires. In fact, because they can't sell Mr. Emerson's patented design, other manufacturers who want to sell knives during the patent's period will literally be forced to invent new designs. In this way, patents encourage and, indeed, force innovation.

So, there's absolutely nothing wrong with an article that details how an individual can, for their own use, modify a knife in the way that Mr. Emerson has, in exchange for his 17 years, taught us. Such an article should simply caution readers who might be manufacturer's, knife makers, or knife customizers/modifiers that the design is patented.
 
That Civilian is SICK. Imagine opening that beast in a reverse grip and going to town....
 
So for the wave thing to work, you have to have the knife upside down in your pocket?

(Considering modifying a knife)
 
Originally posted by Spark
That Civilian is SICK. Imagine opening that beast in a reverse grip and going to town....
Thanks - was rather pleased with the results of that one as well, and yes, its a reverse grip monster. :D

The knife just has to be carried tip-up (i.e. clip is mounted on the butt of the knife), you can draw it into forward grip, or reverse grip (edge in or out). To draw into reverse grip (edge out) though you have to switch it to the other pocket, the the blade (closed) faces forwards, and instead of pulling up or back on the knife you pull it forwards and up along the seam until it catches at the front of the pocket.
For a standard forward grip or a reverse grip edge in, you either draw it straight back against the rear of the pocket, or you cant it outwards a tiny bit (natural) and draw straight up, catching the "tsunami" on the pocket lip (the latter method only works with LARGE openings such as on modified knives, the Emerson Wave is smaller and doesnt catch reliably except in the former method or the edge-out reverse grip method.)
For anyone still not clear the Emerson knives website has a video of an Emerson wave in action - go check it out.
 
Speaking the Wave,
What do you guys think about the Darrell Ralph/Camillus knives. On more than one occasion, I have seen that folks have mentioned that it could be "waved" open.
 
I'm a little curious...Doesn't that "hook" tear-up the edge/opening of your pocket?

And for some reason, I still think that I can flick-open my Spydie Police model just as quickly as a "wave", without the danger of an "accident".
 
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