For all of you that have kids...
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I usually keep them away from my only child's reach. Since there's only the two of us at home, she quickly learned that a knife isn't something to play around with.
But to be safe, I usually keep them somewhere where it's high and out of their curious little hands.
Usually on top of the refridgerator.
Dan
But to be safe, I usually keep them somewhere where it's high and out of their curious little hands.
Dan
You had me worried there for a minute, prigger. As I started to read your question I thought it was going to say:
My son is just starting to stand on his own now, what knives do you recommend for a toddler?
I'll give you my advice on two levels though. Easy answer-out of reach.
Secondly, I think it is important to de-mystify weapons for kids. If he sees you lovingly packing your knives away in a case to be kept on the top shelf of the closet, he's going to want them. If he sees knives used as tools that are a daily part of life, then he'll learn to respect them and the allure will be gone. Then it's just a question of letting him know the rules-we don't stick a fork in the electrical oulet, we don't drop Mommy's hair dryer in the toilet, we don't play with Daddy's knives.
When my two year old grandson wants me to take him for a ride, he goes over to my table and brings me my car keys and a knife. He knows that those are the two things Grandpa takes with him on rides. No problem.
Just let him know that his best knife days are ahead of him.
Jack
My son is just starting to stand on his own now, what knives do you recommend for a toddler?
I'll give you my advice on two levels though. Easy answer-out of reach.
Secondly, I think it is important to de-mystify weapons for kids. If he sees you lovingly packing your knives away in a case to be kept on the top shelf of the closet, he's going to want them. If he sees knives used as tools that are a daily part of life, then he'll learn to respect them and the allure will be gone. Then it's just a question of letting him know the rules-we don't stick a fork in the electrical oulet, we don't drop Mommy's hair dryer in the toilet, we don't play with Daddy's knives.
When my two year old grandson wants me to take him for a ride, he goes over to my table and brings me my car keys and a knife. He knows that those are the two things Grandpa takes with him on rides. No problem.
Just let him know that his best knife days are ahead of him.
Jack
Prigger:
My wife and I have raised three kids, we left the breakables, guns (unloaded) and knives (sheathed or closed) right where they had always been before we had children. The new additions have to learn the meaning of NO, the other part of this equation is to get them thier own toy gun, dull knife to own. When they were big enough to handle the real items they got to do so under the supervision of myself or my wife, as they got older the use of these tools was a part of thier privileges.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this. If you teach your children the difference between right and wrong and what guns, knives and other tools are to be used for and when, you don't have to hide them.
The tough part about being a parent is serving out the apprenticeship, and your not a journeyman until you've made all the mistakes and the kids are gone.
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My wife and I have raised three kids, we left the breakables, guns (unloaded) and knives (sheathed or closed) right where they had always been before we had children. The new additions have to learn the meaning of NO, the other part of this equation is to get them thier own toy gun, dull knife to own. When they were big enough to handle the real items they got to do so under the supervision of myself or my wife, as they got older the use of these tools was a part of thier privileges.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this. If you teach your children the difference between right and wrong and what guns, knives and other tools are to be used for and when, you don't have to hide them.
The tough part about being a parent is serving out the apprenticeship, and your not a journeyman until you've made all the mistakes and the kids are gone.
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Hunting knives locked away with the guns, kitchen knives in the usual place (the kitchen). I've three kids, 7,9,and 11: all are competent with the kitchen stuff. The rationale for locking up the hunting stuff is the novelty factor - kitchen knives are boring, sheath knives are cool. My daughter (11) has a pocket knife, the others are waiting.
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My advice would be to kid-proof as much as you can. Cover electrical outlets where little fingers might find hurt. Put those special kid locks on doors and places where little ones shouldn't go. The kid proofing can come off as he outgrows that stage.
In the meantime, work with him. NO is still necessary and works most of the time - if it isn't overused. Show him the dangerous stuff and talk to him about it. He can understand some, but not all of the dangers. As he gets older, he will understand more and more - just keep teaching him. Most importantly of all, when you teach him, make sure he knows you love him and what you tell and show him is because you love him. If he understands your love and concern, he will respond and become a better person for it.
Put the really dangerous stuff (guns and big knives) behind lock and key where he can't get to it. A safe is probably a good idea. Locked gun rack for guns and a locked container of some kind for the knives.
Sorry if I'm a little wordy, but the little ones are so special - I get overly concerned sometimes.
In the meantime, work with him. NO is still necessary and works most of the time - if it isn't overused. Show him the dangerous stuff and talk to him about it. He can understand some, but not all of the dangers. As he gets older, he will understand more and more - just keep teaching him. Most importantly of all, when you teach him, make sure he knows you love him and what you tell and show him is because you love him. If he understands your love and concern, he will respond and become a better person for it.
Put the really dangerous stuff (guns and big knives) behind lock and key where he can't get to it. A safe is probably a good idea. Locked gun rack for guns and a locked container of some kind for the knives.
Sorry if I'm a little wordy, but the little ones are so special - I get overly concerned sometimes.
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Hi prigger
Welp, my kids are getting older now, so locking them up is definetly a MUST!
Don't want them to get any ideas now do I?
LOL
I have always kept mine locked up for various reasons. I keep all the expensive, one of a kinds, discontinued, and duplicates locked up in 3 safety deposit boxes at my bank. The knives I have used and the less expensive or should I say cheap ones are locked up in a homemade wood box with packing in it to preserve from the moisture.
My kids look at my knives with me, but not alone. Next year, they will get some of the knives I have put away for them, but they will only use them under supervision.
I was 12 when I got my first knife, the boys will be 11 next year. I told them that I will give them a knife or two a year earlier than I was, but the first time they screw up, the knives go away until they become teens.
They do have a knife they use in Cub Scouts, but only do they use it there and under supervision! The Scout Master of their troop gave them cheap imitation swiss army style knives against my saying so I might add, to use at the Scout Outings.
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Welp, my kids are getting older now, so locking them up is definetly a MUST!
Don't want them to get any ideas now do I?
LOL
I have always kept mine locked up for various reasons. I keep all the expensive, one of a kinds, discontinued, and duplicates locked up in 3 safety deposit boxes at my bank. The knives I have used and the less expensive or should I say cheap ones are locked up in a homemade wood box with packing in it to preserve from the moisture.
My kids look at my knives with me, but not alone. Next year, they will get some of the knives I have put away for them, but they will only use them under supervision.
I was 12 when I got my first knife, the boys will be 11 next year. I told them that I will give them a knife or two a year earlier than I was, but the first time they screw up, the knives go away until they become teens.
They do have a knife they use in Cub Scouts, but only do they use it there and under supervision! The Scout Master of their troop gave them cheap imitation swiss army style knives against my saying so I might add, to use at the Scout Outings.
Mark
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Prigger,
It is the hardest and most worrisome thing to keep our children safe from harm. I have a 3 year old daughter and another on the way and I fear for her(their) safety on a constant basis.
As for the issue of knives, I keep mine tucked away in a safe as well(except the ones I am carrying) and out of my daughter's reach. But anyone with children can tell you nothing is exactly safe from a determined toddler.
I think donovan made a good point when he mentioned de-mystifying knives for your kids.
I have let my daughter see and handle my blades(unopened of course) and have let her see me use them....she understands that they are owies and will not touch them now....
Of course she also understands that certain ones will be hers someday and constantly asks to see them....she also likes to read my knife mags(I think we have a future knife nut here!)
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It is the hardest and most worrisome thing to keep our children safe from harm. I have a 3 year old daughter and another on the way and I fear for her(their) safety on a constant basis.
As for the issue of knives, I keep mine tucked away in a safe as well(except the ones I am carrying) and out of my daughter's reach. But anyone with children can tell you nothing is exactly safe from a determined toddler.
I think donovan made a good point when he mentioned de-mystifying knives for your kids.
I have let my daughter see and handle my blades(unopened of course) and have let her see me use them....she understands that they are owies and will not touch them now....
Of course she also understands that certain ones will be hers someday and constantly asks to see them....she also likes to read my knife mags(I think we have a future knife nut here!)
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I got a gun safe as soon as the kids were born.
When the kids were toddlers we kept child proof latches on most drawers. I worry more about choking and poisoning hazards rather than knives. Beyond that age there are likely to be sharp objects in virtually every drawer in the house. Every knife in our house is guaranteed to be shaving sharp. Other objects like pencils are puncture hazards and any glass object can break.
I don't worry about kids getting cut from an object they handle--that is just part of life and seldom that critical. I worry about playing in unsafe areas where someone goes through a window or falls into glass. I had a cousin who almost lost his hand playing football in an alley. A neighbor walked through a non-safety glass sliding door and died of a slit throat.
I gave my sons their first pocket knives at age 6. They got only the slightest finger cuts and learned their lessons. On the other hand I took the knives back away for a while when they started cutting objects that they shouldn't. An SAK is a good starter knife. It teaches you not to use the blade when you really need a screw driver or awl.
I got my first throwing knife at age 13. I'm amazed at what my parents put up with.
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When the kids were toddlers we kept child proof latches on most drawers. I worry more about choking and poisoning hazards rather than knives. Beyond that age there are likely to be sharp objects in virtually every drawer in the house. Every knife in our house is guaranteed to be shaving sharp. Other objects like pencils are puncture hazards and any glass object can break.
I don't worry about kids getting cut from an object they handle--that is just part of life and seldom that critical. I worry about playing in unsafe areas where someone goes through a window or falls into glass. I had a cousin who almost lost his hand playing football in an alley. A neighbor walked through a non-safety glass sliding door and died of a slit throat.
I gave my sons their first pocket knives at age 6. They got only the slightest finger cuts and learned their lessons. On the other hand I took the knives back away for a while when they started cutting objects that they shouldn't. An SAK is a good starter knife. It teaches you not to use the blade when you really need a screw driver or awl.
I got my first throwing knife at age 13. I'm amazed at what my parents put up with.
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I have a 3 and a half year old daughter.I keep my knives in a safe,but take them out to fondle.One day last week she asked to see one of my flick out knives[auto]I took a Corby Cobra out held her little hand in mine and let her press the button whileI held the knife.She whooped with joy.Now when she comes home from the babysitters she ASKS if she can see the knives
Raised 2 boys[33 and 36 years old now]teaching them about gun safty.Let them handle firearms in my presents.Told them if you want to look at daddy's guns just ask.I never turned them down.Seemed to have worked
Raised 2 boys[33 and 36 years old now]teaching them about gun safty.Let them handle firearms in my presents.Told them if you want to look at daddy's guns just ask.I never turned them down.Seemed to have worked
nifrand and donovan I think are on the right track. You can go for either Kid proofing your knives or knife proofing your kids. I think Knife (gun) proofing kids is the way to go, although it may be more difficult.
The approach to firearms in our house (at the time I ever thought about knives) was; There will never be a toy gun in the house, at any time, for any reason. We learn gun handling skills with real guns, not from movies, and not with toys. Any time you are curious about a gun tell me, and I will show you how to handle it, I will show you what to touch and what not to touch. Any time you are interested we will go outside and shoot.
All of the kids had questions which we answered and grew up handling real guns, and we never had any problem.
This idea makes the liberals real nervous because they would rather blame the object.
In my opinion it works better because if you kid proof your knives and guns, all you are doing is protecting the kids from your knives and guns. If you knife and gun proof your kid you are protecting them from your knifes and guns, and from any other knife or gun that they come in contact with.
MNH
The approach to firearms in our house (at the time I ever thought about knives) was; There will never be a toy gun in the house, at any time, for any reason. We learn gun handling skills with real guns, not from movies, and not with toys. Any time you are curious about a gun tell me, and I will show you how to handle it, I will show you what to touch and what not to touch. Any time you are interested we will go outside and shoot.
All of the kids had questions which we answered and grew up handling real guns, and we never had any problem.
This idea makes the liberals real nervous because they would rather blame the object.
In my opinion it works better because if you kid proof your knives and guns, all you are doing is protecting the kids from your knives and guns. If you knife and gun proof your kid you are protecting them from your knifes and guns, and from any other knife or gun that they come in contact with.
MNH
I agree that you must explain guns and knives to children. Take the mystery away. My daughter turned 4 last month. She carries a ladybug (blade glued closed) when we go out in the field. I've told her not to try and open the knife (she only has once) and I'll cut anything we need to. She loves to carry that knife...
We went bow hunting for turkey last spring and will go deer hunting this fall (no tree stand). I explained to my wife that we won't have to worry about her playing with guns because she will know how to use one. The same will apply to knives. Kind of like my Daddy taught me.
We went bow hunting for turkey last spring and will go deer hunting this fall (no tree stand). I explained to my wife that we won't have to worry about her playing with guns because she will know how to use one. The same will apply to knives. Kind of like my Daddy taught me.
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I don't have kids, but I was a kid until recently and have some opinions. I agree with MNH's philosophy. I grew up shooting .22's and got my first SAK when I was seven. I lost it for about a week when my parents mistakenly believed I had carved up a window frame. I'm not saying that locking them up while you're not around isn't a good idea, but don't make them a novelty. That way if you forget and leave them out, their chances of hurting themselves decrease. And Joe, I'm sixteen and my parents still won't let me get a throwing knife.
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I have 2 kids a boy 6 & girl 8 they have both seen me and mom with knives and guns since they were born. They have learned by my mistakes of cutting myself that knives are not a toy. Although they dont have there own knives yet maybe in a year or two but they do have there own .22 it is in the safe until we go shooting.They realise that guns & knives do hurt people and they are not toys I cant make them realise that my impact weapons are dangerous. Although I had a knife at age 8 and it just got worse from there.
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Mr. Kodiak PA,
You are in serious peril.
The Sentry products are fire safes, not security safes. They are intended to protect business records from fire. According to UL, they must keep the inside temperature below 350F when the outside temperature is 1550F for one half hour.
To accomplish this, the walls are lined with a material that absorbs water from the air and stores it. In a fire, that water is released as steam and cools the inside of the "safe."
Unfortunately, that same material keeps the inside of the "safe" quite humid all the time.
I quote the manual for the one I use to store business records, a Sentry Model 1250, "Dampness inside the safe is common due to high humidity content in the insulation. Never store suede or leather products in the safe because they draw moisture into the safe. Stamps and other delicate articles should be protected against humidity released by the safe by storing them in air-tight containers within the safe."
You might want to reconsider storing knives or guns inside one of these "safes".
Also, the door on these "safes", while it has a "safe-style" combination lock, is not very secure. A good crow bar will open it easily. And, if a would-be thief decides he doesn't want to deal with it there in your house, these things are light enough that he can just pick it up and carry the whole thing off with him. The lock on these "safes" is intended to protect confidential business records from snooping, not from stealing.
Chuck
You are in serious peril.
The Sentry products are fire safes, not security safes. They are intended to protect business records from fire. According to UL, they must keep the inside temperature below 350F when the outside temperature is 1550F for one half hour.
To accomplish this, the walls are lined with a material that absorbs water from the air and stores it. In a fire, that water is released as steam and cools the inside of the "safe."
Unfortunately, that same material keeps the inside of the "safe" quite humid all the time.
I quote the manual for the one I use to store business records, a Sentry Model 1250, "Dampness inside the safe is common due to high humidity content in the insulation. Never store suede or leather products in the safe because they draw moisture into the safe. Stamps and other delicate articles should be protected against humidity released by the safe by storing them in air-tight containers within the safe."
You might want to reconsider storing knives or guns inside one of these "safes".
Also, the door on these "safes", while it has a "safe-style" combination lock, is not very secure. A good crow bar will open it easily. And, if a would-be thief decides he doesn't want to deal with it there in your house, these things are light enough that he can just pick it up and carry the whole thing off with him. The lock on these "safes" is intended to protect confidential business records from snooping, not from stealing.
Chuck
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I dont understand locking knives away from kids. I was tought as a very young boy (perhaps 4), the basics of knife use. I was taught why to respect them, and always did. They were not locked away from me, i was actually allowed to handle/use them, under supervision, whenever i asked.
I WAS NEVER CUT AS A CHILD.
Ive only cut myself as an adult, when common sence sometimes gives way to haste and i forget some of those long learned lessons.
My opinion- Use your head, keep them out of common reach of toddlers, but TEACH your children how to use and why they should respect the blade.
P.S.
you can apply this logic to firearms as well.
I WAS NEVER CUT AS A CHILD.
Ive only cut myself as an adult, when common sence sometimes gives way to haste and i forget some of those long learned lessons.
My opinion- Use your head, keep them out of common reach of toddlers, but TEACH your children how to use and why they should respect the blade.
P.S.
you can apply this logic to firearms as well.
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I have 3 children, ages 6 1/2, 5, and 3 1/2. (And another due in Dec.)
I keep my knives and my sword IN reach of all of them. They know that they are not to be touched without asking.
When we go out on to the property to hike, hunt, or garden, they are each allowed to carry one of my knives, but they know that they are not to use them unless I say so.
My youngest loves to ask me, "Daddy, can I hold you knife?" He will either clutch it like it's his most prized posession, or he will clip it in his pocket like daddy does. It sure keeps him quiet in church!
My oldest has gotten attached to my REKAT Hobbit Fang or my Simonich Cetan. She told me that she had a dream last night that there were some bad guys coming through the corn (field) and I gave her my Fang. When they jumped the fence to get her she stabbed them. Gosh I was pround! (hehehehehe)
My middle girl doesn't care what she gets as long as she isn't left out. I usually clip my CS Mini-Tanto onto her waist.
As far as my guns, I use a little more caution. My handguns are kept out of immediate reach, but readily available. My longuns are easily accessable, but no loaded chambers. All they have to do if they want to see a gun or knife is ask. I never tell them no and I never make them wait. They get to see it when they want, but they must ask. And I taught them gun safety before they ever go to touch one. My oldest had just turned 5 when I asked her one day "What would you do it you found a gun?" I expected to get the "Don't touch, leave the area, get an adult" answer, but recieved, "Pshhh, I'd unload it so sissy and bubby won't get hurt if THEY touch it." Yes, I was beaming with pride. I still am!
"It's gotten to the point that I will ask them, "Do y'all want to see daddy's new gun?" and the aswer will be wrinkled noses, rolling eyes, and a bored sounding, "Nooooo sir."
The only problem that has ever occured was with a nephew. He picked up a pistol frame off the living room floor that his dad and I were cleaning. My in-laws used to hide everything from their kids and didn't teach them any gun safety. Things have changed for the better!
I keep my knives and my sword IN reach of all of them. They know that they are not to be touched without asking.
When we go out on to the property to hike, hunt, or garden, they are each allowed to carry one of my knives, but they know that they are not to use them unless I say so.
My youngest loves to ask me, "Daddy, can I hold you knife?" He will either clutch it like it's his most prized posession, or he will clip it in his pocket like daddy does. It sure keeps him quiet in church!
My oldest has gotten attached to my REKAT Hobbit Fang or my Simonich Cetan. She told me that she had a dream last night that there were some bad guys coming through the corn (field) and I gave her my Fang. When they jumped the fence to get her she stabbed them. Gosh I was pround! (hehehehehe)
My middle girl doesn't care what she gets as long as she isn't left out. I usually clip my CS Mini-Tanto onto her waist.
As far as my guns, I use a little more caution. My handguns are kept out of immediate reach, but readily available. My longuns are easily accessable, but no loaded chambers. All they have to do if they want to see a gun or knife is ask. I never tell them no and I never make them wait. They get to see it when they want, but they must ask. And I taught them gun safety before they ever go to touch one. My oldest had just turned 5 when I asked her one day "What would you do it you found a gun?" I expected to get the "Don't touch, leave the area, get an adult" answer, but recieved, "Pshhh, I'd unload it so sissy and bubby won't get hurt if THEY touch it." Yes, I was beaming with pride. I still am!
"It's gotten to the point that I will ask them, "Do y'all want to see daddy's new gun?" and the aswer will be wrinkled noses, rolling eyes, and a bored sounding, "Nooooo sir."
The only problem that has ever occured was with a nephew. He picked up a pistol frame off the living room floor that his dad and I were cleaning. My in-laws used to hide everything from their kids and didn't teach them any gun safety. Things have changed for the better!