GEC: One way to make it operate easier.

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IMPROVISE: "to make, provide, or do with the tools and materials at hand, usually to fill an unforeseen and immediate need".

COBBLE: "to mend or put together clumsily or crudely".

I am not a knife maker, nor do I know much about knives or the correct terminology in describing the various parts of knives. Being an old farm boy, I am somewhat experienced in improvising and/or cobbling.

Here we go. I did this on a #73 GEC single blade. Open the knife to half way between closed and the half-stop. At the top you'll see a sharp 90 degree angle from the back of the blade itself. ("back of the blade" - first of many examples of my lack of knowledge of correct knife terminology). Anyway, I used a small DMT Coarse Dia-Sharp stone to round off that 90 degree angle. If you look at it you will see that this will make it easier to operate the knife from the half-stop to the open position, due to a more rounded surface now contacting the back spring. Kinda like a knife without half-stops, it's rounded where it contacts the back spring.

So far, so good. What about getting it to operate easier from the closed position to the half-stop? You can't get to the corresponding 90 degree angled piece to perform the same operation as above. However, in performing the above operation, you will have abraded small particles of steel and diamonds (or whatever stone you used) that have now fallen into the "V" that was formed when the knife was is the earlier position. Go ahead and operate the knife now. You will feel the grittiness immediately. I figured operating the knife this way for 7 or 8 cycles would "grind down" some of the parts that are rubbing against each other. (Ouch!). I'll admit that this step may be a really stupid thing to do, and could possibly damage the knife. You may want to skip this part.

Of course, after doing any of this you will need to flush out everything very well to get it operating smoothly again. Then put some Flitz in there and operate it to polish up everything. Then wash it up, flush it out, and oil it up.

It looks like this will only work on knives that have squared off bolsters and liners on the end where they contact the blade. I believe the #23's have this. I know my #73 has this. The smaller #25's are rounded bolsters and the above improvisation/cobble won't work.

Take it for what it's worth, fellas. And please don't trash me too bad for knife abuse. Mine is going to be a user and I don't mind experimenting a little. ;)
 
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Thanks for the tips. If my #73 is too tight when I receive it, I may think about doing this.:thumbup:
 
I did this with my GEC Barlow. In my case that piece of metal also determines where the backspring sits. Once I filed a little bit away, the knife opened much easier, but my backspring was no longer factory flush with the other backspring and the liners. YMMV.
 
Thanks for the tips. If my #73 is too tight when I receive it, I may think about doing this.:thumbup:

You're welcome. If my descriptions were "clear as mud", I think once you have the knife in front of you, it will make sense what I was trying to say.

Also, I'm sure not bashful about getting any responses from knife makers or those more knowledgeable than I, about the wisdom of doing this "procedure". It may not be the smartest thing in the world to do, but it did loosen up my knife a bit. I may wait for any responses from those more knowledgeable than me before trying it again - I'd like to get it a little looser yet. It's better than it was, tho. ;)
 
I was thinking about doing the same thing but wondering if I should just leave it to time.
When the blade is in full open position you could fit a small file in there on that first corner to ease up the initial opening force. I think I probably will wait it out. Been just really working it in that half stop position to wear it down. Of course, managed to cut myself, but seems I do that the first day I get any knife...
 
My Queen Burke Barlow was so stiff it was very uncomfortable to open. I broke my thumbnail twice getting it open when I first got it. It is the first new knife I have owned in 45 years that came that way from the factory.

I really liked the blade, the grinds, and the finish, so decided to give it a go before sending it back. I wrapped the blade in tape, then put a paper towel around it. I oiled the joint and the backsprings and grabbed the blade with a paper towel.

Sitting in front of the TV, I opened and closed each blade a counted 1200 times, putting a shot of superlight gun oil on the joint and springs every 200 pulls. The paper towel was very dirty after the first few hundred pulls as the burrs and poor machining began to polish themselves out. I quit because my paper towel was pretty clean when adding more oil, so I decided that it was as good as it will get with that method.

It lightened up enough that I can now get the knife open by starting the blade to the half stop position, then grasping the knife by the blade to open it completely. Pretty awkward if you ask me.

This seems stupid to have to do this on a new knife, and if I had not read all this business about stiff springs over the last 3 - 4 years, I would have sent it back thinking it was a defect.

Robert
 
My Queen Burke Barlow was so stiff it was very uncomfortable to open. I broke my thumbnail twice getting it open when I first got it. It is the first new knife I have owned in 45 years that came that way from the factory.

I really liked the blade, the grinds, and the finish, so decided to give it a go before sending it back. I wrapped the blade in tape, then put a paper towel around it. I oiled the joint and the backsprings and grabbed the blade with a paper towel.

Sitting in front of the TV, I opened and closed each blade a counted 1200 times, putting a shot of superlight gun oil on the joint and springs every 200 pulls. The paper towel was very dirty after the first few hundred pulls as the burrs and poor machining began to polish themselves out. I quit because my paper towel was pretty clean when adding more oil, so I decided that it was as good as it will get with that method.

It lightened up enough that I can now get the knife open by starting the blade to the half stop position, then grasping the knife by the blade to open it completely. Pretty awkward if you ask me.

This seems stupid to have to do this on a new knife, and if I had not read all this business about stiff springs over the last 3 - 4 years, I would have sent it back thinking it was a defect.

Robert

Robert, I did basically the same thing last night on my GEC Barlow. I'd do it oiled up for 200 - 250 times, then go wash it all out with soap and water to get it down to bare metal, and then do it again for a couple hundred times. My theory was that by getting it down to metal on metal, I might be micro-grinding a little more metal, or grinding it smoother anyway. Don't know if it really works that way or not; it would take a metallurgist to answer that probably.

Anyway, it did seem to loosen it up a pretty fair amount. I guess all it's doing really is compressing a year or so worth of edc opening & closing down to a single night.
 
some of the latest ones i received open easier. i'm assuming they were 99 production. while this is an aggravation i still love the gecs. the quality is fantastic & i over looked this problem to own these knives. this is certainly correctable & i'm sure the factory which listens to feed back will correct this if they have'nt started already
 
some of the latest ones i received open easier. i'm assuming they were 99 production. while this is an aggravation i still love the gecs. the quality is fantastic & i over looked this problem to own these knives. this is certainly correctable & i'm sure the factory which listens to feed back will correct this if they have'nt started already

Hi Dennis. The number on my GEC Barlow is 250109; on the #73 its 735109. Are the last two digits (09 in this case) indicative of the year produced, i.e. 2009?

I totally agree with you about the quality of these GEC's - simply amazing for a factory knife!

I've got a GEC toothpick coming soon, based largely on some of your comments in earlier threads. Never owned, or even considered toothpicks before seeing the GEC's. I'm thinkin' I won't be disappointed. :D
 
My last 2 GECs had normal springs; both are 53s, stockman and a muskrat. My 73 is older and had some kinda mean snap both ways...my fix was to use her alot! well half a million broken nails later she is getting a little more civilized. Notice I said "a little more" :eek: lol :D
 
Coyote, check out this page from the GEC website on tang numbers.
http://www.greateasterncutlery.net/gpage3.html

Thank Ya! The numbers work for my #73: 735109. They don't make sense for the single blade wharncliffe barlow : 250109. It looks like it should read 253109, the "3" indicating the blade shape, in this case a sheepsfoot/wharncliffe. There is no "0" blade shape, which the 3rd digit is supposed to represent. :confused:

You have the same little smooth white bone #25 barlow that I have. What is the tang number on yours?
 
coyote i'm not sure all 09s were easier. last batch from sat. went like this tooth- 09
exe whit-09
23 jack-09
53 cuban-08
sunfish-09
the tooth,cuban,&exe whit opened easy. sunfish & 73 were tuff.
if 09 means manuf. yr. then all of 09 was'nt corrected yet. great eastern on web site has kept diligent production production records of every knife produced.this is probably due to their desire to appeal to collectors. i beleive as more members hold the tooth in thier hands, it will become a best seller. apperance is great but tactile sensation is incredible.
 
I've used a similar technique to open up a Queen whittler. Nice knife, but it hung at 2/3 open almost like a half stop. Careful dremel, then file, then folded sandpaper has leveled it out.
 
Thank Ya! The numbers work for my #73: 735109. They don't make sense for the single blade wharncliffe barlow : 250109. It looks like it should read 253109, the "3" indicating the blade shape, in this case a sheepsfoot/wharncliffe. There is no "0" blade shape, which the 3rd digit is supposed to represent. :confused:

You have the same little smooth white bone #25 barlow that I have. What is the tang number on yours?

Mine is the same as yours, 250109--and I agree it should be 253109 according to their own website. The only thing I can think of is that this very short run (only 26 pieces I read) maybe used a different system. :confused:
 
I did this with my GEC Barlow. In my case that piece of metal also determines where the backspring sits. Once I filed a little bit away, the knife opened much easier, but my backspring was no longer factory flush with the other backspring and the liners. YMMV.

This has been my experience too with filing. I HATE disturbing the springs and not having them flush when open (and closed where possible):grumpy:
 
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