good hawk/knife primer

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vector001

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this is the only video of this guy's that i have watched so far, but i liked him on first exposure.


i liked several things about his instruction, including but not limited to;

1) his attitude about taking wounds, which are congruent with my actual experiences in CQB with a determined adversary. commit.

2) his swept-back blade choice in the offhand, which i find to superior over all others in the underhand shield-type usage that works so well in combination with a hawk.

3) his emphasis on San Soo, which is one of my favorite combatives styles, though it is not my own.

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as conscientious warrior-mentalities, nothing we observe is ever perfect in form and function, and not everything he does is going to align 100% with our own practices, but i applaud him for sharing his skills and presenting them fairly realistically. nice fighting hawk too IMHO.

i'd love to meet him - i really liked his attitude.


i'd kick his fat ass though.

Semper Fi.

vec
 
Thanks for posting Brother Vec.

Keep it simple, Looks very effective for a 3 or 4 foot hallway.

Pat
 
I wonder if he keeps a boom box near his bed to play the Last of the Mohicans soundtrack when the fighting starts?

:)
 
I keep the Highlander soundtrack keyed up in case I have to scream "There can be only one!" and charge down my hallway after an intruder with my claighmore.

;)
 
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I'm pretty sure that he is using this sharpish tomahawk looking thing.

If you added a Cold Steel "Long Hunter" to this hawk, you would actually have a decent hawk & knife combo. Well, for the price at least.
 
Yep that looks like it.I think I'll stick to my SOG and seax tho.Still he did have some nice techniques tho.
 
Wouldn't you want something on that thing to be dull so that you don't have to go to prison for manslaughter?
 
That "hawk" already has a dull area, it's called the blade. lol

Sure, dull is also pretty effective, but a hawk wouldn't be "tacticool" enough if it had a hammer poll. The pointier the object is, the more tacticool it is.

Take the shuriken for example. Shuriken are flippin sweet! Especially 48 pointed ones. Just look at all those points! I bet ex Navy SEALS and SWAT members have hundreds of shuriken, that's just how awesome they are. Points are good! (If you are a mall ninja.)

The piece of countertop that he is using should be named the "KLINGON KLEEVER". That pointy POS should have stayed at the trekkie convention. Along with everyone fluent in klingon.
 
Haha, well I guess if tacticool is more important than preserving your innosence then he's all set.
 
Just a couple ideas.

First the use of the tomahawk and knife in close quarters is a great idea/choice. One of the greatest strengths to the use of these weapons is that they use instinctual movements, which we revert to more easily in stress situations.

However the choice of the tacticool tomahawk/ninja weapon is NOT a good idea. The police and courts decide that you intended to kill the perp, instead of merely defending yourself. On the basis of the appearance of the weapon. You would be better off using a plain jane Estwing hatchet and hunting knife. Same advantages as the use of the hawk he used in the vid, but with the ability to use impact surfaces as well. Another option is the use of a framing hammer they are absolutely devastating in a fight and can be presented as having grabbed what was at hand to defend oneself.
 
I have a tomahawk companion fighting knife drawn up, very similar to the Wildertools Bushkeeper, 7-8 inch blade with a gradual belly creating a pronounced point. Still kinda debating who I want to make it and what style I want for a handle. I like the last of the mohicans scene where the Huron attack the surrendered British battalion in the valley, where Hawkeye brings his hawk down, which is blocked, and then he goes low with the knife and cuts the tendon of his adversary to bring him to the ground. They say most knife fights are over in about 3 seconds, I'm sure that's true when you throw tomahawks into the mix.
 
wildmike said:
Just a couple ideas.

First the use of the tomahawk and knife in close quarters is a great idea/choice. One of the greatest strengths to the use of these weapons is that they use instinctual movements, which we revert to more easily in stress situations.

However the choice of the tacticool tomahawk/ninja weapon is NOT a good idea. The police and courts decide that you intended to kill the perp, instead of merely defending yourself. On the basis of the appearance of the weapon. You would be better off using a plain jane Estwing hatchet and hunting knife. Same advantages as the use of the hawk he used in the vid, but with the ability to use impact surfaces as well. Another option is the use of a framing hammer they are absolutely devastating in a fight and can be presented as having grabbed what was at hand to defend oneself.
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I knew there was an acceptable explanation for having a framing hammer in my closet! lol... you are right though, if you use a tacticool weapon that could demonstrate your intentions to kill or maim someone versus defend yourself, you're screwed, whether you are in the right or not. I remember there was a huge ordeal over the "Persuader" tag on the Mossberg 590 that shifted a clear cut self defense case against the victim. I think my HB Forge hawk is just about as plain jane as you can get when it comes to axe design, not to mention I'm not going to cry if it gets confiscated for use as evidence in a trial, it only costed me 40 bucks.
 
wildmike said:
Just a couple ideas.

First the use of the tomahawk and knife in close quarters is a great idea/choice. One of the greatest strengths to the use of these weapons is that they use instinctual movements, which we revert to more easily in stress situations.

However the choice of the tacticool tomahawk/ninja weapon is NOT a good idea. The police and courts decide that you intended to kill the perp, instead of merely defending yourself. On the basis of the appearance of the weapon.
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i think if you were a known practitioner or hawk enthusiast, you'd be alright in an unaggravated situation.

just be nice and get a lawyer, if you take legal avenues.

You would be better off using a plain jane Estwing hatchet and hunting knife. Same advantages as the use of the hawk he used in the vid, but with the ability to use impact surfaces as well.
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...what about the entire sides of the hawk that he is using, brother...?

you could also use the walls and floor as impact tools too, or maneuver the opponent out of a window and let gravity do the rest, etc.

upstairs windows are one of my favorite organic weapons.


as an aside;

a lot of folks haven't been in real H2H (i unfortunately have) - there is just as much blood, if not more, when you hit someone with a club or poll, as with a sharp object.

make a fetal position. - everything that is covered up bleeds profusely when you hit it directly with an impact tool with any amount of force and PSI.

that's a plus for a hammer poll for damage, but not for clean-up.

i have a lot of respect for the Hammer, and that's why i slightly favor a poll on hawks, and why i designed the Daisy Cutter with one (i am cheating though because an attachment will have a spike).

Another option is the use of a framing hammer they are absolutely devastating in a fight and can be presented as having grabbed what was at hand to defend oneself.
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i like framing hammers too, but they are not as good as a proper hawk by a long shot in CQB.

they don't move the same, wood handle or all metal, doesn't matter.

an Estwing against one of my hawks would be a joke, with twin opponents - the Estwing guy would be dominated because of the poor weight and balance of all Estwings that i have ever seen and owned compared to a similar-sized hawk. they are good choppers and hammers though.

i am not going to worry about the law when i am defending my life.

the instructionals have more application than just home defense anyways (military use as a primer).

if there is a real legal problem with dispatching a villain, then your government is a predator too and should siumply be regarded as another threat. - i'd just get rid of the body and clean the scene in that case. - that's standard operating procedure in a lot of countries that i have lived in. it's an unfortunate reality of modern living.

- no one is going to miss a turd like that, and if they do, no one is going to spend tax dollars looking for him IMHO.

so i'd get the best weapon that you could.

i don't defend his chosen weapon, but it'd do.


i'll take a proper hawk, and worry about victory first and the rest later.


thanks for contributing to the discussion, brother! good points.

vec
 
When I was in auto shop in high school some kid on the 2nd floor overwalk was goofing off with a windshield wiper and flung it across the bay. It hit me square in the forehead and when I came to I was laying in a massive pool of blood-but the ER doc found no puncture wounds anywhere. The blunt force of the windshield wiper is what caused all the bleeding, through the pores of my skin. I see what you mean, that blunt force can be just as lethal as an edged weapon. And to be honest, when you're bashing in doors and windows, you're much more likely to damage a sharp edge than a hammer poll. Not to mention the force of the impact of a good hammer poll at the end of a 19 inch haft is going to be similar to that of a framing hammer anyway.
 
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