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OK...I was looking on the vendor site operated by one of our forumites and they have a RAT E&E kit for sale for $115. I am pretty interested in the kit, but...I wanted opinions from people who have owned/used it. Is it really worth $115? Or am I better off throwing together my own kit? I mean, reason tells me that, since I like my RAT knife, I should be impressed with the kit, but I just want some ouside feedback.


Thanks!
 
:D Make a list of all the items in the kit, go search online for the items, add up all the costs, don't forget shipping, and see what comes out on top.

My guess is that the RAT survival kit would come in real close to your total, and it is all ready together in an convenient package and your buying from a reputable dealer.
 
It's a good kit, and an excellent platform to build off of. Each person's preferences can be taken into account and items either added or removed.
 
It looks like a fantastic kit, but when I saw price I wasnt too happy. Might get one in the future.. if the price goes down. In the mean time I really like my AMK Pocket Survival Pak.
 
I own the Advanced kit and to me I say yes it is worth it... but what you need to consider No kit is perfect or fit your needs to a T, all kits get & or Need to be modified.start a list of items and there prices and compare to the kit
 
I guess if I lived in a place where I could go to Joe Smuckatelli's Survival Store right down the street and get all of the components that I wanted in a pocket to otterbox sized survival kit and didn't have to pay for shipping from multiple sources, etc,. then I would not like it (RAT E&E Kit) so much.

Now, a dream of mine is to be that Joe Smuckatelli, to have the money to have that business so I can carry a bunch of cool stuff because of the guys that do carry cool stuff, they don't carry it all and I would like to try to do that. :D

For example, I tried to get one dealer to stock Penrith Survival Tins to no avail. I think, for the money, they are the best kit available but they still leave something to be desired! TAD Gear has them on the site but they are constantly sold out and they don't put the Brass Button Compass (Peyser) in the Combat Model that they are supposed to. You get the cheaper 20mm compass and they sell the Peyser on the side. If you order from Penrith, you get the real deal for a steal...it even rhymes, imagine that. (I know this, I checked with Penrith to make sure Penrith's website was correct on this issue.)

Ideally, if you combined the RAT E&E Kit with the Penrith, and I don't mean the BCB Kit, either...the Penrith Combat Survival Tin, that would correct most, if not all, of the deficiencies that someone was in here pissbagging about last week.

The Penrith Tin.
 
If you order from Penrith, you get the real deal for a steal...it even rhymes, imagine that. (I know this, I checked with Penrith to make sure Penrith's website was correct on this issue.)

Don you rock. I've been holding off getting the penrith kit for exactly this reason (compass). Cheers and beers mate.
 
Well, if you get it from Penrith, just double check with them. I did and they said that is the fundamental difference between the two kits. TAD Gear was the only dealer in the U.S. for them that I ever found but, uh, you apparently don't get the same "deal" with them that you do directly from Penrith.
 
What we tried to do with the E&E kits is compromise (I hate that word) with the most quality gear as possible compared to the price of the kit. I would really like to have a better compass in them but that jacks the price even higher. There is enough room in the pouch to add a second compass of higher quality. We sold a bunch of these to a military unit a while back. So far we have gotten great feedback as a last-ditch kit, even though some of them added/removed components to fit like they want. Another point I want to make about the kit is we figure just about anyone who buys one of these already carries an EDC knife.

Now, if you really want a great buy on a good kit, check out the USMC kit that Don mentioned. I just bought one from Cheaper Than Dirt. Thanks for the link and heads up on that one, Don!
 
I don't think this is restricted to military only sale, but the First Army Detainee Ops Smart Card is a cool Kwikpoint that everyone interested in E&E should own. It will explain to you what's going to happen once/if you are captured.

http://www.kwikpoint.com/military_translators/more.html

First Army Detainee Ops Smart Card--Inside the Wire

From their web site:

New Product
A quick-reference card that reinforces critical operations training for personnel that are deploying for MP guard force duty at military detention facilities. Contains essential training reminders, visual language panels that illustrate detainee Searching and Restraining techniques, Language Hot Card panels in Arabic, Pashto and Dari, cell shakedown planning and procedures, Contraband awareness, cultural sensitivity and situational awareness reminders, and more. Developed in close consultation with experienced military trainers and advisors.
 
What we tried to do with the E&E kits is compromise (I hate that word) with the most quality gear as possible compared to the price of the kit. I would really like to have a better compass in them but that jacks the price even higher.

I don't know what people expect. I mean, there has to be some profit on the thing or why even bother? The brass Peyser (NATO) compasses are nice but they are a little flighty...but they are high quality and they are accurate as button compasses go. Tru-Nord makes a great compass that is more than a little bit bigger.

I know Silva compasses have went in the crapper but their zipper pull model is still a good compass and the first one of them I ever had was included with the Buckmaster! :D

There is enough room in the pouch to add a second compass of higher quality.

That Silva zipper pull compass would be ideal but people have to get over the fact that Silva screwed over their other compasses but the zipper pull model is still a great compass.

We sold a bunch of these to a military unit a while back. So far we have gotten great feedback as a last-ditch kit, even though some of them added/removed components to fit like they want. Another point I want to make about the kit is we figure just about anyone who buys one of these already carries an EDC knife.

I think I would rather people mess around with their kits and become very familiar with them instead of just stowing them and forgetting about them.

A good knife for the RAT E&E Kit is the small Douk-Douk. In the past, Fred Perrin has clued me into a lot of cool stuff from around the globe when it comes to escape and evasion ideas. Fred teaches European Military Units.

ALL of the Douk-Douks can be hammered with a rock so the steel body collapses and what you have made is a very small fixed blade...then going back to Henri Charriere and the French Penal Colonies in French Guiana, you can make a sheath out of newspaper to carry it. Charriere taught McQueen this and you can see that in the movie Papillon. McQueen was carrying a folder similar to a very plain model Corsican Vendetta, popped it into the open position and then carried it in a folded paper sheath so he didn't have to waste time opening it.

People that are really into this stuff have to look to other places for hardcore information and a lot of that is going to be old prison information.

Now, if you really want a great buy on a good kit, check out the USMC kit that Don mentioned. I just bought one from Cheaper Than Dirt. Thanks for the link and heads up on that one, Don!

No problem, thank you for all you do.

The USMC Kit on CTD is listed as the USMC Pilot's Survival Kit, it is the same kit issued to Recon and Anglico, etc. It is definitely worth $60.00, you get some cool stuff for that money!
 
Some extras.

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What is that item above the Douk?
I was about to ask the same thing. Is that a tensioning rod and a few lock picks? I've been looking for samething that small if it is. Where did you get those?

The RAT E&E Kit is one of the best I've seen in a long time. I have one and it goes most places with me.

Compasses - I wouldn't have advocated the Pyser be sold within an E&E kit. Too damned expensive. What I suggested was that RAT replace the cheapy crappy compass with the bog standard button that everyone else uses. Just because it can be relied upon the majority of the time.

Blades - In the UK we can't carry fixed blades openly, so I've placed a U2 in the base of my kit. No intention of using it daily. The best I can really EDC without problems is a SAK, but the U2 is a solid sharp PSK blade.
 
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What is that item above the Douk?



I was about to ask the same thing. Is that a tensioning rod and a few lock picks? I've been looking for samething that small if it is. Where did you get those?

Sharp eyes on both of you and I was just messing around when I took the picture last night, I wanted to see if anyone would notice it, then ask about it, then guess what it was. Adventurous and inquisitive people amuse me, to say the least. :D

It's made by HPC, it's OK. I carried one as a back up to a slightly more comprehensive set when I worked for an alarm company.

Mbass, shoot me an E-mail.


Also, I just wanted to say thank you to Spencer (Spenceds) who gave me the heads up on the USMC SK being available through Cheaper Than Dirt in another thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=657505

I was looking to get another one for quite some time and didn't want to have to resort to E-bay again. Thanks much. :)
 
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