Hoodlum Initial Impression

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Below is an email from my brother who just got his Hoodlum in the mail. He is not a forum member and didn't write it for the forum. I'm posting it since I think it's good to hear from someone who isn't that into Buck knives and is looking at it with a fresh look:

"Hoodlum arrived yesterday. I didn't get home until 2230 so I didn't get much time to look it over. Initial impressions is that it is huge. I'm aware that it is a $140 knife, but I think a few things could have been executed better.

First thing I noticed is that the sheath makes an already large knife much larger. The sheath is not the quality of the knife, which is a problem because it is the only sheath out there that will fit the knife. Although the box and documents have USA and the flag on them the sheath is China. Made from lesser grade Cordura. The webbing is cheap Chinese and the Fastex fastener is even cheaper. Any other knife I would not be concerned, but I will have to have a custom Kydex sheath made as I doubt this one will last the summer.

The steel is carbon - it will rust. To prevent rust it is coated. Through this protective coating they cut the very large Hood Woods Hoodlum Buck logo paragraph. It was obvious that rust was a concern as there was a heavy coat of oil on the area where they had cut through the coating. I expect this to be an ugly rust patch before autumn.

Micarta grips do not fit very well. Screw holes appear to be very slightly off so one scale is higher than the other. None of this is a deal breaker, I think I will be satisfied with the performance of the knife, but a little more attention to detail would have really made a difference."
 
yeah it is helpful. I was in the market for a hoodlum, but more and more this is the type of reviews it is getting. think ill pass.
 
The steel is carbon - it will rust. To prevent rust it is coated. Through this protective coating they cut the very large Hood Woods Hoodlum Buck logo paragraph. It was obvious that rust was a concern as there was a heavy coat of oil on the area where they had cut through the coating. I expect this to be an ugly rust patch before autumn.

I dont think this is true. All steel can and will rust, but IIRC Buck does'nt use a non stainless steel in any of their current products.
 
I dont think this is true. All steel can and will rust, but IIRC Buck does'nt use a non stainless steel in any of their current products.

Blade steel is 5160...it will rust. The coating is on the blade for corrosion resistance.
 
Ok, I'm going to cut and paste this for people that dont know anything about steel, liike me. I had to look this up, because I know Buck wouldn't use an inferior steel for any of there products. This is from KNIFEART.COM

Carbon: Present in all steels, it is the most important hardening element. Also increases the strength of the steel. We usually want knife-grade steel to have >.5% carbon, which makes it "high-carbon" steel. Chromium: Added for wear resistance, hardenability, and (most importantly) for corrosion resistance. A steel with at least 13% chromium is deemed "stainless" steel. Despite the name, all steel can rust if not maintained properly.
5160 A steel popular with forgers, it is extremely popular now and a very high-end steel. It is essentially a simple spring steel with chromium added for hardenability. It has good edge holding, but is known especially for its outstanding toughness (like L-6). Often used for swords (hardened in the low 50s Rc) because of its toughness, and is also used for hard use knives (hardened up near the 60s Rc).

So according to this, because 5160 contains Chromium, it should be fairly corrosion resistant. That doesn't mean it won't rust, but again all steel will rust if not maintained properly, regardless of what kind of steel it is...
 
Ok, I'm going to cut and paste this for people that dont know anything about steel, liike me. I had to look this up, because I know Buck wouldn't use an inferior steel for any of there products. This is from KNIFEART.COM

Carbon: Present in all steels, it is the most important hardening element. Also increases the strength of the steel. We usually want knife-grade steel to have >.5% carbon, which makes it "high-carbon" steel. Chromium: Added for wear resistance, hardenability, and (most importantly) for corrosion resistance. A steel with at least 13% chromium is deemed "stainless" steel. Despite the name, all steel can rust if not maintained properly.
5160 A steel popular with forgers, it is extremely popular now and a very high-end steel. It is essentially a simple spring steel with chromium added for hardenability. It has good edge holding, but is known especially for its outstanding toughness (like L-6). Often used for swords (hardened in the low 50s Rc) because of its toughness, and is also used for hard use knives (hardened up near the 60s Rc).

So according to this, because 5160 contains Chromium, it should be fairly corrosion resistant. That doesn't mean it won't rust, but again all steel will rust if not maintained properly, regardless of what kind of steel it is...
checkout this site for steel composition: http://www.zknives.com/knives/steels/steelchart.php and look up 5160

the chromium is actually quite low.
but it does not make a difference that the logo will rust
It's about the edge, which you use :)
popular steels like 1095 (ESEE uses it everywhere) don't have any chromium and rust bigtime if your not careful, but take care of your blade and it'll be fine. Store them oiled and keep them dry. then you'll have no problem

On a side note, I've removed the plastic inner sheath and am having a kydex made for it that will fit in the nylon.
They should really have made it a kydex insert and I agree with the OP's brother, thanks for giving us this insight
 
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