How do you keep a flat grind?

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Was wondering how you sharpen, and keep a flat grind? Stropping? Sharpmaker?

Also wondeirng the same about chisel grind.


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I had the exact same question, but felt too stupid too ask. If it is a flat grind, then doesn't than mean you essentially have to use a stone at an angle that grinds the entire side of the blade down to a point so the whole blade is just one big bevel? I am stumped about this.
 
If the whole blade angles to the edge, without any secondary bevel (like you'd normally see), it's called a zero edge or zero bevel. You don't see this very often, and for good reason. IMO, with a blade like that, it's best to sharpen it like you would any other knife, and evenetually it'll probably look like any other knife. If you try sharpening the entire flat of the blade to maintain the zero edge, it'll take forever, and you'll be thinning the knife out.
 
I'm going to try to answer. If I'm wrong, someone will correct.

Flat grind is the way the entire blade is shaped. (profile) Chisel grind is the shape of the bevel of the cutting edge.

*ex. of flat grind, Spyderco Dragon Fly. which can have a chisel ground cutting edge.
*ex. of hollow grind, Buck Mayo TNT. Again can have a chisel ground cutting edge.

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I hope i didn't confuse you too much.
 
wwells20 said:
I'm going to try to answer. If I'm wrong, someone will correct.

Flat grind is the way the entire blade is shaped. (profile) Chisel grind is the shape of the bevel of the cutting edge.

wwells20 has it right, with some fine examples too...

Chisel ground blades are only ground on one side, and the grind is only near the edge, like the cutting end of a chisel. On the plus side, they tend to be sharper than most other edges, but on the down side, when you try to cut thru any thickness of material the blade will pull to one side.

If you want to sharpen a chisel ground blade and keep the chisel edge style, only sharpen one side (the side that has been sharpened before).

A flat ground blade has a nice smooth surface all the way from the spine of the blade to the edge. If you were to look at one from the end, it would look like a long skinny triange. The blades with a zero-edge are very challenging to resharpen back to the original because like Planterz said, it requires thinning the entire blade, and its a real PITA. If you need one of those knives resharpened and the manufacturer offers free sharpening, that may be something worth looking into. Otherwise you may want to look into the "mousepad sandpaper" trick to get your knife back up to good.

Good luck!

ps, something i learned a few years back, if you are watching TV while trying to sharpen a knife, you bleed... a lot....
 
I would sharpen a zero edge, flat ground blade on a loaded strop. Place the blade flat on the strop, raise the back edge slightly up to stop the blade from scratching whilst producing a very acute micro bevel. I would do this often so as not let the edge get too dull.
 
For chisel ground edges, just sharpen the one side till it forms a very small burr on the flat side, then wipe the flat side "edge" at a very low angle with a fine or super-fine hone of some sort to knock the burr off. Maintaining a perfectly flat edge is something that usually isn't required (or even wanted in many cases) on the blades most of us carry from day to day. A benchstone + human limitation, combined with the extremely narrow bevel of a knife usually results in a very slightly convex edge, which is a very good for using knives, as you can get it easily as sharp as a perfectly flat edge, but the edge geometry is stronger, which generally aids edge holding in hard use situations. If you want a thinner edge then just lower the angle a bit.

If absolute flatness is your goal, on a knife you'll most likely need to use a guide/clamp system of some sort, such as the edgepro Apex or a Lansky setup. On some of my smaller pocketknives I've used the lansky and the coarse stone to do initial reprofiling, then finish on a benchstone. The coarse stones dish out and are difficult to keep flat, so when you move to a higher grit it's easier to match the angle by hand sharpening as opposed to the finer lansky grits. The coarse and medium diamond lansky stones are probably a good investment if you use it to reprofile your edges. The edgepro I've heard (but never used unfortunately, I'd like to try it out as I love having perfect edge bevels on gent's knives, they just look cleaner) is the best way to get perfectly flat edges on cutlery.

On actual woodworking tools like chisels and hand plane blades the long wide bevel is easy enough to keep flat on the stone. Waterstones work great for these tools as they glide over the hone and tend to "stick" to the surface which helps keep the tool flat. You'll want to keep the stone as flat as possible with a lapping plate so that as you progress in grits you always have a matching flat surface between the tool and the stone.
 
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