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udtjim

udtjim

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A knife that just chuckled at my attempts to sharpen it on the SharpMaker. I even used the coarse Ruby stones. It's aCamillus/Western Heavy blade hunting knife. I finally got out the Gatca Pro diamond set and finally put a good edge on it. I finished it on the Sppyderco sharpener. It's the fixed Blade. I picked up that one and a new Buicklite 442C. It says 420HC.

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so you cant get the knife sharp?

I think the problem is the sharpmaker. I have never been a fan of that thing. Try practicing with some good bench stones freehand.
 
There's definately no problem with his Sharpmaker!:eek: I've seen the edge it puts on a blade- it works very well. It's not ideal for certain knives, though. Very heavy blades, especially curved ones, are a bit difficult to do on the Spyderco.
 
Thats true. Someone else here told me that knives with deep bellies are tough to sharpen on the Sharpmaker. The knife was also very dull and almost needed to be be re profiled. Rob. I think this one needs a trip through the Edge Pro. I got it pretty good with the Diamond stones on the Gatco but its still not quite up to my standards. I love the shape and feel of the knife and once its really sharp I think it will be easy to maintain.
 
What steel is the Camillus? Camillus made a few knives with that style handle for Cold Steel in Carbon V.
 
Well, that sounds great. Now that you've got the edge under control, it should be a great performer. The blade is a swept point skinner, the classic Nessmuk style. I like those "bananas", they're like side-handle ulus. :)
 
I don't think that it is hard. Sounds to me like the same problem as in the recent burr thread. It just confirms my own experience that 420HC, as it is commonly heat treated, is just plain low grade steel. It sharpens about as well as a rubber tire. You just don't get rid of the burr and even if you do, you use it three times and the edge just rolls over. :barf:

I don't really give a damn that its composition is not so different from 12C27 but in my experience the two don't behave at all alike.

Sorry for the strong words, I have held back on that for a while, since Buck's 420HC seem to have a strong following, but now reading twice what mirrors my experience, I think it's really got to be said. I don't want to tread on anyones toes, and maybe Buck has changed something in their heat treat in the past 10 years, but the two Buck knives in 420HC that I bought about 10 years ago are worse than a Ginsu 2000. Sharpening a blade in S30V is a breeze in comparison.

(Just to point out that this is nothing against Buck in general: My Kaala in S30V with Bos heat treat shows excellent performance steel wise. Couldn't be happier with the steel).
 
I was not a big fan of Buck knives most of which are 420HC. Then I learned how to get the most out of their knives and i am sure that it will hold true for this knife now. Get a Buck knife sharp and keep it sharp is the simple secret. Its very easy to bring a shaving edge back to a Buck knife if you don't let it get really dull. ENTER the YELLOW Edgemaker Pro. Use the knife for a couple of deer or whatever then pull it about six times through the dirt cheap edgemaker and put it away for the next job. Its somewhat like the super steel 189 and to a point, D2. Let it get really dull and you have your work cut out for you.
 
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