in Great Britain: a call to ban "assault knives"

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just spotted this.....



http://www.nssf.org/news/fromBP.cfm?BPseq=330&AoI=generic

BANNING "ASSAULT KNIVES" . . . They outlawed real firearms, then even air guns and toys that look like guns. But gun crimes keep happening in Great Britain, and the crime rate there is rising.
Now, doctors in the United Kingdom are calling for an outright ban on the ownership of kitchen utensils because knives are the nation's "weapon of choice" for murder and mayhem. But for right now, they're only asking for the sharp ones that are long and pointy to be illegal. Seriously.
A BBC story on the organization's Web site (see complete story below) reports the West Middlesex University hospital's findings published in the British Medical Journal: "The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all."
A gruesome close-up of stitches on a man's sliced ear dutifully illustrates the story along with a picture of the "weapon of choice" kitchen utility knife with the caption, "Doctors say knives are too pointed." The BBC knowingly cautions skeptical readers that "the study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established."

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.
The research is published in the British Medical Journal.
The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.
In contrast, a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon".
The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives.
The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established.
French laws in the 17th century decreed that the tips of table and street knives be ground smooth.
A century later, forks and blunt-ended table knives were introduced in the UK in an effort to reduce injuries during arguments in public eating houses.
The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.
"The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime.
"We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect."
Government response
Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.
"The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.
"Offensive weapons are defined as any weapon designed or adapted to cause injury, or intended by the person possessing them to do so.
"An individual has to demonstrate that he had good reason to possess a knife, for example for fishing, other sporting purposes or as part of his profession (e.g. a chef) in a public place.
"The manufacture, sale and importation of 17 bladed, pointed and other offensive weapons have been banned, in addition to flick knives and gravity knives."
A spokesperson for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "ACPO supports any move to reduce the number of knife related incidents, however, it is important to consider the practicalities of enforcing such changes."
 
then screwdrivers and wrenches. Hey while we're at how 'bout golf clubs and baseball- er cricket bats? I guess eventually they'll have everyone living in Nerf houses, eating luke-warm gruel with rubber spoons. :rolleyes: :barf:

Frank
 
I think these folks are just nuts, plain and simple. :o

After the kitchen knives are banned, then steak knives? After that, forks?

After that, rocks?

After that, sticks?

I don't see why those folks just ban hands. After all, that is what hooligans use to hold guns, and knivs, and forks, and sticks....
 
m_calingo said:
I think these folks are just nuts, plain and simple. :o

After the kitchen knives are banned, then steak knives? After that, forks?

After that, rocks?

After that, sticks?

I don't see why those folks just ban hands. After all, that is what hooligans use to hold guns, and knivs, and forks, and sticks....

I could still kick you :)
 
Quick guys, lets buy stock in an English company that makes plastic eatingware, plastic hammers and screwdrivers, and wiffle bats, because they're going to be doing a lot more business over there at this rate.
 
I think they should just lobotomize all citizens. They will be harmless to one another then. That, or they should cut the tendons in people's arms and legs to keep people from being strong enough to beat or stab others. In fact, Fat people will have to be eliminated as well, so that they cannot sit on and smother another. Come to think of it, the only way to save England from itself is to Nuke it until nothing remains but a glowing crater- Result: Zero Crime! What a plan! :D
 
Locking pocket knives (any length) have been illeagal to carry for the last year or so.
 
Once again, an inert object is blamed for the outcome rather than those who choose to wield it with malice.
 
Moving to Knife Laws ...

There are 8 or 10 threads there already and I'm sure there will be more to come. While I'm here, what about teeth? Better pull everybody's teeth so they can't bite people.
 
It seems like these doctors are over-stepping their authority. They can tell us, from a medical perspective, why a longer knife with a point is dangerous. But since when do they feel they have the authority to suggest banning something? Are doctors gods? Clearly they are touching upon an area where they have no business because they'd realize that banning something won't reduce assaults and murders.
 
...little by little.All in the name of "public safety","law and order" etc.Considering that convicts MAKE knives in prison -how is banning a useful and common tool as a knife help to reduce/deter crime in any way???Makes me vomit. :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Ryan8 said:
But since when do they feel they have the authority to suggest banning something?

They always have. That's why we can't smoke anymore, drink alcohol, or eat red meat.
 
If pointy knives are the criminal's weapon of choice, then clearly they should lift the ban on hanguns. That'd cause an immediate drop in knife crime. :rolleyes:
 
Lock everyone up in cells, allow them out under armed guard to go to work. Have their paycheck direct deposited into the national treasury. Lock them back in their cells after work. Simple, effective, no knife crime on the streets. Sounds far fetched, but look how far freedom has eroded in the past 20 years. :rolleyes:
 
Ryan8 said:
It seems like these doctors are over-stepping their authority. They can tell us, from a medical perspective, why a longer knife with a point is dangerous. But since when do they feel they have the authority to suggest banning something? Are doctors gods? Clearly they are touching upon an area where they have no business because they'd realize that banning something won't reduce assaults and murders.

Actually, I'll bet incompetent doctors are killing more people than kitchen knives. Maybe they should ban the doctors....
 
A useful link for summary UK Knife law information:

British Knife Collectors Guild Law Page

Being British I've seen this topic raised many times while I lived in the United Kingdom. Often its a slow news week when it gets wheeled out, nothings happening in celebrity child abuse cases, no military or political persons have been involved in any conflict and no one famous has got engaged to anyone less than half their age.

Being honest, I can't see it happening, its to difficult a legislation to nail down, when they create a focus group to consider what knives should be banned, for every 10 top chefs who say large pointy knifes are of no benefit in the kitchen, another 10 would disagree. Personally if I had to grade my kitchen utensils on levels of personal harm they could inflict, my meat cleaver is appearing much higher up the list than the large chopping knives. That is not even to mention the my spice cupboard which has been responsible for causing major intestinal fatalities or so I'm told (maybe I should lay of the chili powder a little sometimes).

More seriously, this story usually smacks of badly interpreted statistics. From what I've read in the past (Not directly related to this story). In the UK the highest percentage of murder, manslaughter and assault happens between Friday Night and Sunday Morning. The largest percentage of these being wives and husbands. If domestic violence is the most prevalent cause it is little wonder that kitchen knives are used to commit these crimes. But these statistics are over looked in favor of the number of teenagers carrying knives. While I'm not condoning that fact, I would like to point out there is little to know link between the two quoted stats. As you can see I linked two sets of stats and gave what I think is a possibly plausible conclusion.

Most stories like this need to be taken with a large pinch of salt as they usually have little grounding to link their quoted statistics.
 
GeordieMuppet said:
In the UK the highest percentage of murder, manslaughter and assault happens between Friday Night and Sunday Morning. The largest percentage of these being wives and husbands.

So they should ban weekends, wives, and husbands!
 
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