Is the 317 the heaviest Buck folder ?

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Do any of you actually carry your 317? Is it Buck's biggest folder ever? The heft of these brutes are cool to handle, but I have never carried mine due to the weight, I want to trade mine out. It makes my 110 feel light as a feather, and I can pocket that if I have to. As far as EDC go, how do you guys like the large Vantages? That's my next Buck. Thanks.
 
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I thnk that the folding Alpha Hunter could be heavier and the folding kalinga is no light weight.
 
akula83 said:
Do any of you actually carry your 317? Is it Buck's biggest folder ever? The heft of these brutes are cool to handle, but I have never carried mine due to the weight, I'm trading mine out. It makes my 110 feel light as a feather, and I can pocket that if I have to. As far as EDC go, how do you guys like the large Vantages? That's my next Buck. Thanks.
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The 317 is lighter than the 110. I weighed a Kalinga Pro, Folding Alpha Hunter, a 110 and the 317. The 317 is the lightest of them all and not bad considering it has two blades.

Kalinga-------------7.17 oz
Alpha--------------7.57 oz
110----------------7.35 oz
317----------------7.05 0z

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Plumberdv said:
The 317 is lighter than the 110. I weighed a Kalinga Pro, Folding Alpha Hunter, a 110 and the 317. The 317 is the lightest of them all and not bad considering it has two blades.

Kalinga-------------7.17 oz
Alpha--------------7.57 oz
110----------------7.35 oz
317----------------7.05 0z
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That's pretty impressive consistency in weight, and over a pretty wide time span, in terms of the models represented. Seems like Buck has dialed in 7 - 7.5 ounces as the magic number for their large folders. I never would've thought they'd all be within a half ounce of each other.
 
Wow.....thanks for showing that. As I said, I don't use my 317. I am going to have to get my 110 and check it out. It must just be me.
 
Well you would put a 110 in a sheath, the 317 has a sheath as well. Although most people don't know that the 317 has a sheath.

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Plumberdv said:
The 317 is lighter than the 110. I weighed a Kalinga Pro, Folding Alpha Hunter, a 110 and the 317. The 317 is the lightest of them all and not bad considering it has two blades.

Kalinga-------------7.17 oz
Alpha--------------7.57 oz
110----------------7.35 oz
317----------------7.05 0z

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Well, very interesing. But how much do the knives weight, I mean how many gramms they have. Would you please help an unaware German Buck knife collector?

Best,
Haebbie
 
I converted this to grams for you.

Kalinga-------------7.17 oz 7.17 oz = 203.266 g
Alpha--------------7.57 oz 7.57 oz = 214.605 g
110----------------7.35 oz 7.35 oz = 208.368 g
317----------------7.05 0z 7.05 oz = 199.864 g
 
Thank you, B. That's truely interesting. The largest difference is 15 grams. That's roundabout 7,5 %, less than the tolerance limit for
measurement egeneering.
Best,
Haebbie
 
The Buck CSAR-T ATS-34 model is 8.6 oz. I think it's the heaviest folder. The Buck Striders have titanium liners so the CSAR-T is king for now.
 
Yes and the CSAR utilizes the same frame as the Alpha Hunter. So, looking at it the slabs and some blade are the weigh difference. DM
 
The liner lock on the CSAR-T is indeed thicker than on the Alpha, but the frame sides themselves are much thinner (1/16" on the CSAR-T Vs 3/32" on the Alpha). On the liner lock side, the total metal thickness (liner lock + frame side) is the same on both of them but the opposite frame side of the Alpha is thicker by 1/32". The frame spacer on the butt of the CSAR-T is thicker by 1/16" but is quite a bit smaller than the spacer on the Alpha. I think frame wise, it would be a push on the weght of the two but I'd almost think from close inspection of the two that the frame parts of the Alpha may even be heavier than the CSAR's.

I believe that most of the weight difference would be in the larger and much thicker blade, there's a LOT more metal in that.

Lousy indoor at night pictures, but they show the differences OK.

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Thanks, Plumber for the info.. Micarta or G10 is heavy as well. Still, we're only talking about one oz. (.0625lb.) Plus, it looks like the inside of the CSAR's frame is not drilled to lighten it up. DM
 
Cant believe it took 10 posts before the heavyweight Czar came into the picture. I took the clip off of mine and pocket carry it, but I still need a belt and suspenders to keep my pants up:D What a brute:)
 
Any input on how the large size Vantage carries? They seem like they should be light, but what about the size and pocket fit. I'm looking to swap my Trailblazer for one of those.
 
akula83 said:
Any input on how the large size Vantage carries? They seem like they should be light, but what about the size and pocket fit. I'm looking to swap my Trailblazer for one of those.
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If I were you, I'd hang on to the Trailblazer, they aren't that common where as the Vantages are common as fleas on a dogs back. I'd go to Wally World (or eBay) and pick up a Vantage (they aren't expensive) and make my own determination about how they carry.

In my case, I love the entire Vantage line, but I'm not fond of any knife that size to carry in my pocket unless I'm wearing something like cargo pants or shorts. It could be because I wear slim fit jeans, not the newer loose fit ones and nothing that size (Vantage) is comfortable for me in any pocket when wearing those.
 
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Dave, very good job with all those weights. I was surprised that the kalinga was lighter than the 110 but I don't have scales. Need to get one now because I have been curious to the weights also. Also need to get a micrometer for blade thickness.
 
edbeau said:
Dave, very good job with all those weights. I was surprised that the kalinga was lighter than the 110 but I don't have scales. Need to get one now because I have been curious to the weights also. Also need to get a micrometer for blade thickness.
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Thanks, I can't vouch for how accurate the scale is, but I've no doubt that it's close. If nothing else, it gives a good way to compare the different knive's weights. I have digital calipers also, which I find easier to use than a micrometer, but the battery is dead and I couldn't find the right size last time I went to the store.
 
edbeau said:
Dave, very good job with all those weights. I was surprised that the kalinga was lighter than the 110 but I don't have scales. Need to get one now because I have been curious to the weights also. Also need to get a micrometer for blade thickness.
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That was the 419 Pro model too, the 415 model with the camo scales only weighs in at 6.12 oz!

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