Let's Set The Record Straight

Someone once said that if you repeat an error or a falsehood enough times, it becomes commonly accepted truth. Such is the case for the 2nd Amendment, where after enough claims by liberals that the 2nd Amendment doesn't really apply to individual private citizens, but to armies (militias), uninformed people believe this.

How does this apply to Gurkha House? Well, Marya has been doing a lot of research into past postings on this and other forums. She's found a bunch of erroneous statements that, while most are not intentional, misrepresent who we are, what we produce, and how we do business. These statements are perceptions based on heresay, and have no basis in truth. They have, however, been so often repeated that they are now commonly accepted beliefs about us. I'm going to set the record straight. The format for this post is simple: I'll state the perception (based upon heresay), then I'll state the reality.

Gurkha house sells "rail common" khukuris.

False. "Rail common khukuri" is the American name for a khukuri made from a railroad track or another sub-standard steel source. Gurkha House does not sell these, never has, and never will. EVERY khukuri we offer comes from recycled truck springs - usually 5160. When you see our video, you'll notice the piles and piles of truck springs being used.

Gurkha House buys from a "dealer"

False. We buy from TB Bishwakarma, a manufacturer, through Khukuri House. Lalit and TB are old friends, business partners, and served together as Gurkhas in the same unit. They started this business together, and I am their representative in the US and, frequently, worldwide. Gurkha House adds added value to the products produced in Dharan by offering a lifetime guarantee and easy access to a variety of khukuris. Incidentally, if we DID only buy from a dealer, that alone would mean nothing - as long as the khukuris delivered were up to standard.

TB's production facilities aren't well equipped and his kamis are somehow "underpaid."

False. When you see the video, you'll see how much disposable income the kamis have - evidenced by their gold rings, western watches, clean clothes, and good diet.

Gurkha House khukuris are not blessed.

False. Although I have not included this feature in my marketing, TBs shop and everything in is sanctified by puja. A puja was done while I was there in honor of Bladeforums with a large black goat - you'll see this in it's entirety on the video. I am NOT an expert in the religious beliefs and practices of the bishwakarmas, but I do know that they take this very seriously.

Gurkha House has no control over quality

False. As mentioned in other recent threads, we have noticed a marked increase in quality in the 2 years we've been in business specifically BECAUSE we have an open line of communication through Lalit to TB, who in turn, tweaks things as needed. Compare the quality of any recent GH khukuri to another brand, and you'll notice that any differences are "superficial" (a quote from a recent email) if present at all.

The quality of our khukuris stands by itself and so does our customer service. I didn't say the things above because I had to, but because I wanted to. Please forgive me if I sound angry, but I do grow a bit tired of reading and re-reading some statements that, while innocently stated, are not fact-based.

Thanks for letting me vent here. For most of you, this post has no meaning, as you already know in your hearts and hands what I've said above.

Craig.




[This message has been edited by Craig Gottlieb (edited 06-22-2000).]
 
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I would like to state for the record that the service I have recieved has been above and beyond what I expected .
The khuks to have been exellant. I can see NO differance between your quality and HI . I have a REKAT carnivore ($160 pocket knife )that I have had problems with. It says something about your character that you back up your products %100 no questions asked , not many people do that .

 
Anyone who has done business with Gurkha House already knows how Craig stands behind his product and his word. To those people he has already proven himself time after time. However, for the sake of those who may be reading these threads but who have never purchased anything from GH before, I can assure you with total confidence that you will not be disappointed. I am absurdly picky, almost to the point of obsessive/compulsive, when it comes to my knives. I search up and down for the slightest flaw--even trivial things that don't really matter. If Craig can satisfy me 100% of the time with all my purchases, I think he can satisfy most everyone else. This coming from the Sovereign King of hypercritical blade lovers.

And as for the quality of GH khukuris, it's not even an issue that should be on the table for debate, because the only people I have heard so far put down or question the quality of GH's khuks have never owned one. They are of superb quality, and while I have no idea what type of steel is used or what the piece of steel was in its former life, I can tell you that the steel is high quality, and excellently tempered (zone, that is).

Craig shouldn't have to keep defending himself; his khuks speak for themselves. As I said, the issue of GH's quality shouldn't even be up for debate. They hacked through the frozen thigh of an elk--fur, meat, bone and all--in the hands of Ron Hood, with minor edge damage only! As Doc Ron later stated, the majority of the large knives he's tried that with couldn't even cut through period, much less still be useable afterward!

Bottom line: If you're keeping from buying a khuk from Gurkha House because of unfounded rumors from armchair critics who've never even owned one, you're doing yourself a great disservice and you'll never know what you're missing. If you want to get an honest appraisal of GH khuks, you have to ask someone who has owned one.

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Thanks for the support, guys. While I wasn't "fishing" for compliments, I knew that some of you wouldn't be able to resist responding. It's an honor to count you all as my associates, even though I've only met Blackdog in person. Funny how the internet and relationships go.

And for the record, I'm ALWAYS open to a criticism of either a specific khukuri somebody received (heck, I am far from perfect, and things do slip by occasionally), a general suggestion, or a customer service issue. I'm frankly flattered that nobody's angry at how long it's taken to get the WWIIIs done - it's a testimony to everybody's character.



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Craig, if I may make a suggestion:add another link on your website that would connect to a FAQ page where you could list the points you've made above. It would certainly help prospective khukuri buyers make up their minds...

Harry
 
All I have to say on the subject of GH quality I've said here.

As for Craig's customer service, guarantee and business methods; they speak for themselves. Less than honorable people don't stay alive in the knife business these days. word travels too fast in the computer age.

Keep doing what you're doing Craig.

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I own Craig`s khuks.I also own a lot of Bill`s.I`ve found no fault in GH khuks.The fit and finish are not Purdy,or pre`64 Winchester grade but, pretty good.Most of mine are 1060.Probabley some 1050.Maybe some 5160; I don`t know.I doubt it. The heat treat is different. The kami`s know their bussiness.All of these steels have the properties that you want in a khuk.0-1 would work fine,but that doesn`t come in MB
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You boys know me.

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For the record, I have a number of GH khuks and most of them I have put to hard use. Because of my satisfaction with the quality of GH products and the integrity of Craig, the man behind GH, I will be buying GH khuks for years to come.

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Thanks Steven. Can somebody be specific about the fit and finish issue? I have about 8 HI khukuris that TB sent me (they are NOT rejects or blems, but are HI marked khukuris from left over stock from when he stopped selling to Bill). But for the scrolled buttcaps, I can't tell a bit of difference between similar models. I also remember Cliff Stamps review, wherein he said that visually, he couldn't tell the difference either.

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One of the big visual differences is the Chakma and Karda. HI's are usually bigger. That is the main thing. Like Cliff said, the HI khuk has a little better edge retention.

For the price you can't beat it. I own both GH and HI knives. Both are great. Bill and Craig are great people to work with. They both procure a knife that no one else can even come close to. I own both and will contiue to buy GH and HI, because sometimes I want an apple, and sometimes I want an orange.

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Edge retention is not much of an issue anymore. I rolled edges a little on older GH models, but my 18 inch panawal edge is great and the temper is as good as my HI khuks. Fit and finish is difficult because I've owned mainly GH panawals which are advertised as being rougher made. HI models seem to have less sharp edges where horn and brass meet (although my Rieger khuk is top notch workmanship). HI buttcaps are thicker. What happens with horn is that it shrinks. With full tang, no matter how well the scales and tang fit eventually the steel begins to overlap. GH kardas and chakmaks are rougher than HI but it sounds like Craig is correcting that. My last couple HI khuks had pretty rough k&c's. I agree with whoever said that the comparison is not apples and oranges but macintosh and golden delicious apples.
 
I think that Craig and Uncle Bill have done a great job at getting along in the same "space". I have not seen any eveidence of these guys stepping on one anothers "feet" as it were. You can't really compare the two. They are both great knives/dealers/manufacters/people. That says a lot for the both of these guys. It is a rare quality to find one guy who will do bussiness the old fashioned way, If it were not my need, and love of folding knives I would never need to go anywhere else.

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I agree Matt. Uncle Bill has a good reputation and deservedly so. He sells top quality khukuris and his customer service is unequaled. Craig is the new kid and the knocks he gets are mainly because of this. I think Uncle bill sells khukuris more for purists, very traditional like he says museum quality. Craig has something different in mind. While he sells traditional khukuris I think he is trying to redefine the khukuri, to bring east and west together to next step in the evolution of the khukuri. That will take some time and some trial and error, but when accomplished the result will be sublime. Craigs critics will eat their words. I love my khuks from both Gh and HI and really can't pick a favorite, but Craig does have better taste in beer
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Craig has come a long way in the last few years. He has demonstrated initiative, integrity and adaptability. Things highly valued in my world.
 
I'm glad to see some healthy competition between honorable merchants. Both GH and HI draw from the same pool of traditions and talented smiths to provide quality handforged items.

The competition will help to drive quality innovations by both companies. Longer and harder kardas and chakmas, better sheaths, more consistent hardening, etc.. These companies expose the Nepalese craftsmen to a market willing to pay higher prices than they can find in Kathmandu. The kicker is that the high priced market demands quality, and both GH and HI seem to know that. Both companies are building their reputations on quality. Both have guarantees and satisfied customers to bolster their claims to a quality product. I am willing to bet that the kamis producing work for either of these companies take pride in the materials, time, and workmanship they are able to put into these blades. Many kamis producing for the tourist market do not have the luxury of producing the best knife they can.

I think that the grief that Craig and Bill get from their competition is more than offset by the benefit of this relationship to the people of Nepal. I'll hoist a glass with either of you. I find that the people I'm drinking with are more important than the qualities of the beer.
 
Amen!



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“He who knows not, and cares not that he knows not, is a fool - shun him.
He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child - teach him.
He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep - wake him.
He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise - follow him.”
- old Persian proverb
 
I like beer that I like.That said,Bill and Craig only overlap in the issue khuk. I am more of 18th. Cent. than Bill.Certainly more than Craig, in my views.
I`m writing a position paper as I speak for the WI F&G Wardens.They have a fancier name now. Conservation Warden Supervisor. Maybe some one will read it.
I intend to send copies to both Bill and Craig.
I still want to write the report on the Samar.
 
Sorry guys that I didn't respond to this earlier. But thanks for all of your kind words. I think that it's an excellent point that khukuri quality and availability has gone up as a result of two khukuri companies on the scene.

By way of explanation, my frustration in the past has been mostly about things said with no basis in present reality. Would it be right to say that America is a terrible place because we allow slavery? No! Slavery has been outlawed for over a hundred and 40 years.

Now that all the cards are on the table and everybody knows that we don't just buy from a "dealer" in Nepal, but buy (and bought) from the same people as Bill bought his khukuris from (shop #1) - owned by none other than TB Bishwakarma. I've known this for about a year, and it was very frustrating to be the only guy on the block with this knowledge. That was why I was always so tense. I didn't tell people out of respect for Bill.

As for re-defining the khukuri - the WWIII is just a fun project, but shouldn't indicate any direction that GH is going in, except that we will continue to execute the good ideas that we get from you guys. And if I can turn people to the Dark Side of Beer, I consider myself a winner
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The two enities(HI,GH),do not really compete.As for outlawing slavery;you are just not well traveled or educated.
Slavery exists almost everywhere.
In the US,and Europe, we have wage slaves.Elsewhere it is more simple,and more humane.The master has an obligation when they are old.
 
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