Looking for a hunting knife to hold its edge?

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I am admittedly a novice when it comes to knives.
The only time I have use for one is for skinning caping and cutting off the meat from big game when I am lucky enough to get something.

I hate to sharpen knives and I am not good at it, takes forever and I have no patience.

I am looking for a folding hunting knife I can use for the tasks listed above that will hold its sharpness through a normal years harvest of an elk a deer and a bear without requiring re-sharpening.

Rather than do tons of research and still come out with the wrong answer I figured I would come here to the experts board and get some expert advice.

Would someone please recommend a knife or a few options I can go out and buy today that will meet my requirements?
 
You might want to look at something from Cold Steel in the Carbon V steel. I just bought an All Terrain Hunter for doing the same thing that you are talking about. It is a fixed blade though. Also you might want to look at a Lansky knife sharpener it makes sharpening a whole lot easier and quicker. The sharpmaker by spyderco I think is also highly regarded for quick and easy sharpening.
 
Spyderco Wenger is a great is a great choice if you can find one. Also the Spyderco Military is another.
 
You ask a lot of a knife. Regardless of how good it is it has to be sharpened sometime the best idea is to take it to a professional between trips. Buy a knife with a good D2 blade treated correctly - something like a Dozier and it will get you through your hunting trips without trouble. Think about getting a good steel to keep the edge up and the blade will last you longer before needing to be put on a stone.
 
Oh! Sorry you are asking for folders. Usually fixed blades are used outdoor. Among folders Military are probably best for this tasks. From other hand it will be hard to clean handle from blood etc. after skinning etc. And fixed blade knives much stronger.

Thanks, Vassili.

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Spyderco Military I maen.
 
Go to the Buck website, click on the "Pete's Custom Knife Shop" link and order a 110 with a BG-42 blade.

That ought to do you.
 
Tim Weger Mouse. litterally. that 2" blade of vg-10 kicks &#97ss. Tim has a review out there of his hunting trips using the mouse... gets through a FEW animals(3 deer I believe) before it could use a touch up.
 
Thanks a lot for taking the time to provide so much info on my request. I definitely came to the right place.
I learned more about knives today than I thought there was to know.
Turned out to be very interesting stuff, my eyes have been opened to all the different varieties and some of the problems associated with the various blade materials available.

I must definitely be doing something wrong when it comes to sharpening my current knives because it takes forever and they never seem to get sharp. My goal is to find a knife I can use all season and then get it professionally sharpened after I am done using it.

After reading all the posts today (I accidentally posted my request twice) and researching the various responses I received today I am going to look further into in the BG-42 which sounds very good and the CPM 440V which is supposed to hold the edge even longer but is more brittle but should be fine for me because I do not use my knife for any heavy bone work or prying.

Thanks for getting me started in the right direction!
 
I think you should look at getting a spyderco sharpmaker. Best 40 bucks i think i have ever spent. After cleaning a deer, a few swipes an the sticks and back to razor sharp. Solved all my sharpening woes.:)
 
Originally posted by rukidnme
I am looking for a folding hunting knife I can use for the tasks listed above that will hold its sharpness through a normal years harvest of an elk a deer and a bear without requiring re-sharpening.

Would someone please recommend a knife or a few options I can go out and buy today that will meet my requirements?

Several years ago, I stumbled upon one answer to your question by accident, sort of. I was pretty much in the same boat as you as far as sharpening and uneducated as to the properties of the modern "super" knife steels when I decided to purchase a Benchmade Mini-AFCK. (about $100)

I was amazed at the edge it had, and the way it held that edge. I think I used it for a whole year, including field-dressing a whitetail, before I even thought it might need sharpening. I would highly recommend this folding knife as a great introduction into quality knives. A much less expensive but equally impressive knife would be the Spyderco Native III (about $50); perfect for field-dressing big game.

The "Steel" and "Sharpening" FAQs on the rec.knives newsgroup will really help you out in the future. If you don't have newsgroup access, send me an e-mail and I'll forward them to you.

I'll second the recommendation on the Spyderco Sharpmaker, too. It is a pretty foolproof way to sharpen, especially if you do end up buying a knife with the newer, harder-to-sharpen steels.

Now that you've visited this forum, be warned: you are already on your way to becoming a knife nut!

Good luck,
Bob Scott
desmobob@capital.net
(message edited to add approximate knife prices)
 
S30V, BG42, D2, VG10, and 154CM/ATS34 all hold an edge very well.

I would suggest that you get one of the credit card sized DMT diamond hones for touch ups in the field – just follow the edge bevel as closely as possible to maintain the edge.

I also carry two knives when hunting, so that I have a spare and that I don’t have to stop to sharpen when the first gets dull.




- Frank
 
Salient points quoted:
Originally posted by rukidnme
...skinning caping and cutting off the meat from big game
I hate to sharpen knives and I am not good at it...

I am looking for a folding hunting knife I can use for the tasks listed above that will hold its sharpness through a normal years harvest of an elk a deer and a bear without requiring re-sharpening.
Originally posted by frank k
S30V, BG42, D2, VG10, and 154CM/ATS34 all hold an edge very well.
...get one of the credit card sized DMT diamond hones for touch ups in the field... I also carry two knives when hunting, so that I have a spare and that I don’t have to stop to sharpen when the first gets dull.
- Frank
All good advice from Frank. Those ARE the top stainless steel choices, but you must make sure you get a good heat treat also.

So, a folder with a good hunting blade profile, perhaps big enough for an Elk. Very good steel AND a good heat treat. That narrows it down all right.

You didn't mention a price range. Or your preferred blade length. Normally, for bear and deer, 3.5"-3.75" is about perfect for me, and 4" works well also. 5" and I'm thinking it's too big... but not if you end up inside an Elk. (disclaimer: I've never field dressed an elk).

Problem with 440V is if you buy from a production maker, it'll be run too soft to last you through very many animals. It'll be as abrasion resistant as most any steel, but too soft to avoid edge rolling (which even light cuts into, or scraping on, bone will do). If this doesn't make sense to you yet, then just trust me... unless 440V is done by a custom maker who really knows what he is doing, the 440V coming out of production houses will disappoint over time unless you know how to put a fairly large angled convex edge onto the knife.

I'd look for a used Chris Reeve large 3.625" bladed Sebenza in BG-42 if you can swing the price, $345 new, between $265 and $320 used. Great all around blade shape for hunting... enough belly, hollow ground sharp slicer, good tip, great durable, trustworthy knife. If you live in a very cold climate, however, it has an all metal (titanium) handle...cold. One of the very finest folding hunting knives on the market (but not advertised as one), with one of the strongest, safest locks in the business.

UP the price scale a bit, and harder to acquire, are Kit Carson's Model 4 folders, the medium at 3.5" and the large at 4". The drop point and clip point are both good knives... the drop point is almost a spear point, and I prefer the clip point somewhat. See "Model 4 clip point" and "Model 4 Hunter (drop)". Kit works with most blade steels... for "rukidnme", I'd say go with S30V.

http://www.kvnet.org/knives/

The Spyderco Wegner is another pretty good choice, ATS-34 and hard enough, good hunting blade profile (semi-skinner). Couple advantages... cost, and micarta handle. One big disadvantage: discontinued model. You'll have to surf Ebay and this and Knifeforms or elsewhere and find one used. The custom versions are all over $300, made by Phil Boguszewski who is a pretty good maker. If you go custom, find out if Phil is using S30V and who heat treats... if you can get one run at Rc59 or higher, get S30V. Otherwise, BG-42 at Rc60.

Dozier's all metal folders are a bit expensive. But moving down a bit price-wise, I like the "Trapper I" in 3.5" of hard, well heat treated D2 and a textured G10 handle for $350, not bad price-wise. Fine hunting folder, could use some improvement in handle ergnomics, but Dozier's D2 will definitely hold an edge as well or better than the BG-42 Sebenza.
http://www.dozierknives.com

If you like the Buck 110 (I sure don't, heavy, handle not so ergonomic, trailing point blade profile, not much belly, no thumb stud), then a 110 in BG-42 won't set you back much money and should be a good, safe knife. Normally, I'd say "Skip the finger grooves... all looks and just get in the way". But for the 110, and that old styled handle... well, the finger grooves might help. To each his own. If you want it to be a good game knife, skip the serrations, and get either stag, elk, or checkered walnut grips for a better grip in the field (bloody, wet, etc). Definitely get BG-42 steel... don't fall for any hype around damascus, and the "ion fusion" blades might work fine, but require special sharpening techniques and probably diamond stones (which I'd invest in anyway if you are serious about having good steel and sharp knives... but that's another thread). And get the nickel bolsters... brass is pretty, but it's also a pretty big pain in the as&#115 if carried in a leather sheath (the dreaded green corrosion/slime on brass). And the 110 is heavy enough it needs to be carried in a belt sheath (too heavy for pocket carry, not offered with a clip).

Less traditional choices that would work pretty ok:

Benchmade AFCK in 154CM, or better, if you can find an older one in ATS-34 it'll be just as good a blade but easier to sharpen (long story). If you don't mind taking care of a carbon (non stainless) steel, M2 is a notch better than 154CM for field/hard use.

The Benchmade 710 in 154CM is a pretty fair hunting knife, although that's not what it's designed for... minor problem is recurved edge, which just isn't quite what you want for hunting. Same story as above on M2 steel.

Spyderco Impala has a weird blade shape... but might work out fine. VG-10 and 3.75".

Probably Not:

For hunting, you don't want a Spyderco Military. The blade shape just isn't right (I could mount a similar argument about the above 710 if I chose to). Not enough belly for the skinning portion of the chore.

The Spyderco Pro-Grip in SS looks like a good compromise if you can't find a Wegner... the SS handled version has a VG-10 blade at Rc59-60, but it's really short at 2-13/16".

The Spyderco Vesuvius comes with some pretty un-outdoor-like inlays, but in ATS-34 at Rc59-60 and with a good lock, it'd be ok, but a 3.125" blade is short.

Tim Wegner Mouse: you gotta be kidding, right? 2" blade for an Elk? It can be done... but then again, you can certainly also ride your single speed bike 10 miles to the grocery store and make it home with 4 bags of groceries, but you just don't. It's a stunt.
 
Actually field dressing elk or moose is simple with most folders.
It is just some simple cuts that most knives could do. If you skin and quarter in the field there are some more considerations.
I prefer a drop point because of the belly and strong tip.
I agree with the above that mentioned sharpmaker or other sharpening device that helps you with angle. It is much better if you can touch up the blade yourself. The wegner and some others has been mentioned and there is also Fallkniven P1 that has a nice dropoint and open construction to wash out gunk. The handle is a little slippery though, I think.
There used to be much talk a bout a wonder material called talonite before. There is a Camillus EDC that can be found in that material. It was said to combine best edgeholding with ease of sharpening and stainresistance wich should make it ideal for hunting. I have not tested it my self.

/Martin
 
Make sure you get something from a company like spyderco, that you cans end the knife back to the factory to be resharpened, if you don't plan on learning to sharpen eventually.
Pretty much any custom maker is willing to clean up and sharpen a knife for a customer, usually just for the cost of shipping the knife back to you.
 
Originally posted by Mextreme
I prefer a drop point because of the belly and strong tip.

There used to be much talk a bout a wonder material called talonite before. It was said to combine best edgeholding with ease of sharpening and stainresistance wich should make it ideal for hunting. /Martin
A nice drop point, or a well designed clip point with some belly (Kit Carson makes both in 4" Model 4, both good blade profiles, I like the clip best), are both far superior to a trailing point design (e.g. Spyderco Chinook) for an overall field dressing knife.

Talonite & Stellite 6K are very similar materials. They are EXTREMELY corrosion resistant (well past the 400 series martensitic steels), and very abrasion resistant. They are soft however, in the Rc 42-46 range for Talonite (I've heard Rc49 from Simonich also) to typically Rc44-48 for Stellite 6K. The edge will roll on harder items. They can be fairly easily stropped back to sharpness in the field, or resharpened in the field, but the questioner indicated he didn't know how, or enjoy, sharpening at all.
 
Uh oh! I'm in trouble now.
I have checked out every site you folks were nice enough to point out to me and there are a couple knives I am going to be needing.
I can see a nice knife in my future for Christmas. Problem is going to be picking which one, there are so many choice ones out there.

For now I need a knife for two weeks from now and I can't break the bank.
I found a SOG64 3.6" blade BG-42 folding auto clip knife for $56, right size and the price is right. I know you get what you pay for but it appears to be a pretty good product. Do any of you have any experience with this product?

They also have an x42 field knife which looked very good for $79. but it is 10" long and a fixed blade. I am tempted but that will take up a lot of room in my pack compared to the little folding knives I have been using.

If the SOG's are junk I will have to take the next step up, there were several options in the $100 to $140 range with a bg-42 blade.

Thanks for the tips on the sharpening tools also, I think that is a big part of my problem with my inability to sharpen my current knives.
 
If this is the one that you are considering,


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I would suggest that you find something with a drop point blade, or at least a clip point with a good amount of belly for skinning.





- Frank
 
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