Loveless style drop point

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MCM

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1st Post here, & need a little help.
Im looking for a Loveless style drop point hunter.
Have been looking at 2 (do I dare say semi custom?)
Knifes.
One is the Gerber Loveless Integral Dropped Hunter
(forged 440 Rockwell 59-60)
Made in Italy

http://ragnarok.agrknives.com/gerber/ge5872.html
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The other is an A.G. Russell Loveless Style Drop Point Hunter
ATS34 59-60RC made in Japan.

http://www.agrussell.com/agrussell/ag200.html
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The Gerber is a "Loveless collaboration" if that means anything,
and prefer the integral design, but like the ATS34 on the A.G.
I m not limited to just these (2) but they look like nice knifes
and are in my Price range. (Full Custom is not) Both of these can be had for under $200.00.
Your thoughts appreciated!
And thanks in advance!
 
Check out Geno Denning's GM or B model. Loveless design, very reasonable prices for handmade.

The GM "George's Model" is a George Herron designed knife after the popular Loveless drop point. Made from 1/8" bar stock, the blade is a 3 5/8" drop point. Overall length is 8 1/8". The base model has a black linen Micarta handle. The version shown is with stag handles. Base price is $130.00. Price as shown is $160.00.

http://www.cavemanengineering.com/main.html

I've got one of Geno's knives, and it's very very well made for the price point, almost to the point of being underpriced for what you get. :)
 
Scott Cook does really nice work but, I think it will be outside the original posters budget.

The Geno Denning knives are a steal at their pricepoint. Really nice grinds and excellant finish. Lots of Herron and Loveless influence in his knives. You won't go wrong @ Caveman Engineering!
 
Scott Cook's large Owyhee hunters start out at $195 and are worth every penny. Immaculate workmanship.

GenO Denning offers truly stellar knives and I think they are definitely UNDERPRICED.

For a true Loveless reproduction of a drop point Loveless, don't forget Marble's Sport 2000. This is actually endorsed by Bob and might be right up your alley. The blade shape is classic Loveless but uses a stick tang rather than full tang construction.

Heck, if you shop around you should be able to pick up both the Denning and Marble's for a few pennies over your budget. Happy shopping :D
 
Thanks for all the info & keep it coming.
I have set my price range as such as I plan to use this knife
for its intended purpose. Its going to get used so I
am looking at finding a great blade that will really hold an edge
and orig Loveless design. Anything over $200.00 to me
has had more work put into it to make a good field knife.
Not that they are not worth it, but very few actually get used
for their intended purpose over say 400-500.
 
Drop-points are IMHO the most useful blade design for field dressing and all-round camp use. Fallkniven's F1 and Cold Steel's Master Hunter are two superb renditions of this design. Colorado Cutlery makes a beautiful small drop point hunter, and I believe Shrade also has one. Another variation is Grohmnan's Russell Belt Knife (made in Canada).
 
Originally posted by blademan 13
Scott Cook's large Owyhee hunters start out at $195 and are worth every penny. Immaculate workmanship.
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I agree, I have 3 Scott Cook Owyhee's, and they are superb, but I thought they would be too close to his posted price point. :) Mine were well over 200 each with the S90V steel and scale materials I ordered for mine.
 
For the money, Scott Cook's Large Owyhee is the knife to beat right now in a standard drop point. I'd get S30V over any other steel offered (and have one on order). I'd save the extra $30 or whatever it takes to get nice wood on an S30V Owyhee.

The forged 440 Gerber is 440A. It makes an "ok" but really pretty mediocre usin' knife. That piece is designed to be a collector's item. Nothing wrong with that... I own one myself, just too bad it's 440A or I'd use it (it's flat ground by the way).

"Caper Finn" is a name given (by Loveless I'm pretty sure) to what I'd call a bird & trout styled knife... not the name of a company. That Japanese ATS-34 stuff AG sells strikes me as a pretty fair price for what looks like (in pics, haven't handled) pretty nice Seki City type stuff. I've been tempted on a couple of those.
 
Thanks again for all the info.
Just got back from a Gun show, and
am no longer considering the Gerber.
Did see a neat Boker (Model 529)I was told its forged 440c
But at the end of the day its still 440.
Leaning towards either the AG Russel posted above.
Or a inexpensive custom. What I am really after
is a knife in ATS34 , OR 154 with white or yellow micarta.
may end up going the custom route.
Does anyone have a link to Scott Cook?
Thanks again.

Also the Cold Steel Master Hunter-Carbon V
would do fine, and may end up going that route.
Just wanted something a little more fancy.
The Carbon V is hard to beat though.

Anyone else owned a knife by George Herron?
Thanks
 
I wouldn't be so quick to disregard 440c its a good steel and quite a few custom makers still use it.
 
When a knife maker quotes 440 steel, it's almost always 440A. This is a low carbon steel that is quite soft. I'd go the Russell made in Seki, Japan.
 
Originally posted by MCM
What I am really after
is a knife in ATS34 , OR 154 with white or yellow micarta.
may end up going the custom route.
Does anyone have a link to Scott Cook?
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www.scottcookknives.com

Of course Scott will do 154CM. He uses Paul Bos for heat treat, and you generally can't beat a Bos heat treat.
Originally posted by MCM
Also the Cold Steel Master Hunter-Carbon V
would do fine, and may end up going that route.
The Carbon V is hard to beat though.
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The Master Hunter is a lot of knife for the money. It's a full 4.5" long, so a bit on the large size for a whitetail type game knife, but a great utility knife and a real beater. Carbon V isn't anything mystical, it's a good quality low chrome carbon steel called 0170-6. Plenty Good but not exceptional stuff, given a very good heat treat by Cold Steel.

See also the Fallkniven F1 which I personally like better at 4" and VG-10.
Originally posted by MCM
Anyone else owned a knife by George Herron?
Thanks
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Yeah, own one, a gem of a 4.5" dropped point in stag, mirrored. He's retired, his pieces are escalating in value. His work is impeccable. He used ATS-34 or 154CM primarily (nearly exclusively?).

Herron trained Geno Denning, and (I think) Wayne Hendrix, maybe Ross Norfleet, Larry Page.
 
Originally posted by redvenom
Another maker to try: WJ McDonald
HIs website: www.wjmcdonaldknives.com

I have been eyeing his Loveless-style drop points for months. Very clean work.
Andrew Limsk
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I've handled Jerry's knives at two Guild Shows. His work is exceptionally nice...clean fit/finish, nice handle materials from what I saw... looked like another "Geno Denning" type of bargain yet high quality maker.
 
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