Mike Turber banned by Reed Exhibitions

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On March 18, 2003, the organizers of the SHOT Show, the Eastern Sports Show and the Chicago Hunting and Fishing Show banned Mike Turber from exhibiting at those shows. The bad includes a ban from any trade shows or exhibitions organanized by Reed Exhibitions through the end of 2004. This ban was based on Mr. Turber's conduct concerning Joy Enterprises during the 2003 SHOT Show in Orlando. The ban applies to Boss Knives, Provantus, WOW, Inc, and any other name/entity Mr. Turber conducts business under.

As to the lawsuit filed by Joy Enterprises against Mr. Turber, process servers in Jacksonville, Florida have been attempting to serve him for several weeks.
 
What A load of Crap! Maybe other mfg's who support mike can boycott..
 
To present a more balanced view what were the conduct issues (or aledged issues) concerning Joy Enterprises ?
 
The bad includes a ban from any trade shows or exhibitions organanized by Reed Exhibitions through the end of 2004. This ban was based on Mr. Turber's conduct concerning Joy Enterprises during the 2003 SHOT Show in Orlando.
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As to the lawsuit filed by Joy Enterprises against Mr. Turber, process servers in Jacksonville, Florida have been attempting to serve him for several weeks.

Mr. Bryan,

From my understanding, you are an attorney representing Joy Enterprises in a lawsuit against Mr Turber.

I certainly hope that there is truth behind both of your accusations, as they seem dangerously close to slander.

Regardless, this is a private matter between two organizations, and I don't understand why you continue to attack Mr Turber in this public forum. You have supposedly already filed a lawsuit. Make your arguments in court.

In my opinion, your poorly written statement says something about your level of professionalism.

-- Rob
 
Baraqyl...just a small point, but this is not a "private matter" Thurber made it public here on the forums. Joy Enterprises made it public with their lawsuit. There are two sides to every coin. If Thurber's righteousness was on-target, as expressed originally in his monster thread, then he probably would not have been banned from the exhibitions. Thurber started this "trial by internet" and he's big enough to take his lumps. It appears Bryan's trying to show a little bit of the "other side of the coin."
 
From my understanding, {John Bryan is} an attorney representing Joy Enterprises in a lawsuit against Mr Turber.

If that is true, then I would urge Mr. Bryan to state that clearly in his posts.

I'd also remind Mr. Bryan that this forum is archived and anything posted here is recorded for posterity. Of course, the same caution should be observed by Mr. Turber.
 
brownshoe, his name is Mike Turber, not Thurber.

Mike being banned from shows put on by Reed Exhibitions has nothing to do with Mike's actions being righteous or not. I would guess that he was banned because he broke show rules.

Mr. Bryan, it would be in your clients best interests not to continue this on BladeForums. Every time you post something, we are reminded of Joy Enterprises and their total lack of acceptance of, or remorse for selling knock-offs. We all know better. I would think that Joy would want to crawl back under that rock where they belong and hide from people that think what they do is despicable.
 
I guess they don't teach proofreading in law school.

"The bad includes a ban from any trade shows or exhibitions organanized by Reed"

I hope for your sake you are more careful with legal briefs.

Conducting this legal t*t-for-tat via an internet forum is tacky at best. Turber has an excuse, what's yours?
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
Baraqyl...just a small point, but this is not a "private matter" Thurber made it public here on the forums.
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It appears Bryan's trying to show a little bit of the "other side of the coin."

Mr. Bryan has claimed in the past that he is an attorney representing Joy Enterprises. He has already shown "the other side of the coin" through his posting of the lawsuit. (In a thread that basically ended 7 days ago)

This post is an attempt to harm Mr. Turber's professional reputation that was posted by a paid representative of a competitor.

This is a matter for the courts, not a "trial by internet".


Originally posted by Gollnick

If that is true, then I would urge Mr. Bryan to state that clearly in his posts.

In this post, Mr. Bryan signed his post with "John L. Bryan, Esq." and "Florida Bar No.: 179250". Whether he is who he claims to be is another matter.

-- Rob
 
Each of you posting messages here has a valid point. I typed a word incorrectly. It is "tacky" to carry this on via the internet. However, Mr. Turber made public statements in this arena that were defamatory to a client I represent and those statements have greatly harmed my client. The only purpose of letting this little part of the world know what has happened is to present you with facts rather than libel. Mr. Turber has chosen to make his version of the events public on this forum and, knowing that many of you may be customers, Joy has asked that it's side be made public.

The statements I made are accurate. I have a copy of the letter which was sent to Mr. Turber notifying him of the ban. The letter is signed by the Vice President of Reed Exhibitions.

The reason I have had to deal with Mr. Turber via the internet is that the Fax number listed on his WOW Web site is actually some unrelated person's telephone number. Mr. Turber's own telephone number is unpublished, which means you cannot obtain it from information. There are at least two possible addresses for him that we could locate, but to date our process servers have not been able to locate him at either, or at least they have not informed me that they have located him.
 
Short Rant On * If Joy has retained these Attys. they are morons. If they were representing anyone for real and came onto a public forum and discussed ongoing litigation they would be out on their can. Sounds like a scam.

Two quick points... Most Attys. type like crap and rarely proofread. That is what a good secretary is for. You dictate, they type. Whoever is working up the "John Bryan" posts needs to look into the process!

Mike Turber, You need to look into having someone proofread and grammatically review your statements if you want them to appear as if someone with any substantial intellect is producing them. (And for chrissake the term is not *Jest* unless you are Jesting or a Jester! You get the gist or essence of someone's argument in conversation.) Get an Attorney if you are really being sued. If you serve as your own representation you will get creamed in the face of a competent lawyer... * Rant off..
 
Originally posted by John Bryan
Each of you posting messages here has a valid point. I typed a word incorrectly. It is "tacky" to carry this on via the internet. However, Mr. Turber made public statements in this arena that were defamatory to a client I represent and those statements have greatly harmed my client. The only purpose of letting this little part of the world know what has happened is to present you with facts rather than libel. Mr. Turber has chosen to make his version of the events public on this forum and, knowing that many of you may be customers, Joy has asked that it's side be made public.

The statements I made are accurate. I have a copy of the letter which was sent to Mr. Turber notifying him of the ban. The letter is signed by the Vice President of Reed Exhibitions.

The reason I have had to deal with Mr. Turber via the internet is that the Fax number listed on his WOW Web site is actually some unrelated person's telephone number. Mr. Turber's own telephone number is unpublished, which means you cannot obtain it from information. There are at least two possible addresses for him that we could locate, but to date our process servers have not been able to locate him at either, or at least they have not informed me that they have located him.

This is too funny, you think that he is scaring away customers? And that people who use blade forums purchase these knock offs? And that we are potential customers to a company that sells pos knock offs? Do a little research, her knives are crap, and most people here buy knives in the range of 70-300 dollars in cost! Do you really think they want to buy her crap? This is just too funny.
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those statements have greatly harmed my client

That's the crux of the matter. I don't imagine that would be easy to prove, especially since these statements occurred in a specialist forum where price is not an issue and knowledge is.

It would be interesting to hire a subject matter expert, say Bernard Levine, to appear on the stand.

What would Mr Levine say in reference to to subject of fakes and damage done?
 
I'd say Reed Exhibitions is cutting their own throat, and Mike shouldn't be too concerned about the prowess of a lawyer who can't even get an unpublished #.
 
How do "public statements" in a private forum work?? You have to be a member to post here?? Just wondering. I'm sure there is some type of legal thingy to apply to your case Mr. Bryan, so I apologize for not knowing what it is. The only attorney I every paid any attention to was "Kramer's" attorney on "Seinfeld". :)



Blades
 
Originally posted by John Bryan
Joy has asked that it's side be made public.

Mr Bryan, one thing I learned in law school was to make sure my writing was flawless any time said writing was related to a case or issue and could later be criticized or otherwise come back to haunt me, and if I wasn't able to do so, make sure a paralegal would do it for me, and, you were already criticized once for a typo, and in your very next email, you have, I believe, once again committed a grammatical error, quoted above. Unless I am mistaken, "it's" should be "its". Am I being too hard on the poor lawyer... :)

Nope, I'm not too fond of lawyers, even if I technically am one, which is probably why I now sell fossil shark teeth for a living, and wish to practice law about as much as I would like to be pickled and disected alive by aliens. :)

Having been there and done that, I have to say, selling shark teeth is WAY more fun, and miraculously my stomach ulcers aren't bothering me anymore, go figure...
 
I have heard that they were starting to use lawyers in laboratory experiments. After all, there are some things that a rat just refuses to do.
Greg
 
quote taken from a line in John Bryan's post:

"The only purpose of letting this little part of the world know..."

Nothing like being condescended to by a lawyer. Keep up the good work.


Cerberus:rolleyes:
 
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