Many thanks for replies to my first cry for help! My billet has had another few layers of 5160 added, it seems to harden to some degree now, with a small section I want to try a letter opener, how should i go about hilighting the different layers of metal after grinding? do I need to harden the knife or will the layers show up in the annealled state? Im particulary keen to leave it soft as i do not at present have a belt sander so have to " grind" it by hand on a coarse stone (or file) Nic