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My digits dont like flippers

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by hemi1300, Sep 14, 2019.

  1. hemi1300

    hemi1300 Gold Member Gold Member

    176
    Sep 9, 2013
    Have about a dozen benchmade knives and a handful of microtechs, decided to try something different and now have added 4 zero tolerance flippers to the mix. While I love the flipper action, almost more fun than flicking open a benchmade, my fingers do not! Have caught a finger 4 or 5 times now closing the knife, and for some reason my brain isn't quick enough to realize my finger is still in the way. Luckily havent cut myself deep though. Never realized how sharp they are until the blade lightly contacts skin and cuts it like butter
     
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  2. RoachBelly44

    RoachBelly44 Basic Member Basic Member

    306
    Sep 18, 2018
    Yeah.....dont do that!:eek:
    I have noticed that after using an AXIS lock for a while, you have to consciously adjust your manual of arms when playing with a different lock style.
     
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  3. Sergeua

    Sergeua Gold Member Gold Member

    May 1, 2016
    You gotta close framelocks in a way that if the blade does falls down on your finger it's on your thumbnail. The flipper if anything adds safety. Let that flipper contact your finger first when closing, then take your finger away and let the blade fall or assist it to close. 2 step
    Find the sweet spot where the blade is past the detent and the flipper rests on your finger that is disingagin the lock, preventing the blade from closing. Some of these zts have a late detent.
     
  4. hemi1300

    hemi1300 Gold Member Gold Member

    176
    Sep 9, 2013
    That's the only con about the zt 0470 I just bought. Flipper tab is too small so it doesnt catch my finger before the actual blade closes on it
     
  5. ScooterG

    ScooterG You mean Ireland? Yeah, it’s mine. Gold Member

    Mar 15, 2016
  6. b00n

    b00n Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 15, 2016
    It depends on the knife as well. The 0452 cut me more often than any other of my flippers, I can't really think of another flipper that cut me, but the 0452 probably half a dozen times. Small tab, big thumb and detent location make a difference.
     
  7. K.O.D.

    K.O.D. The Everlasting Know-it-all Platinum Member

    Aug 21, 2013
    I don't think I've ever been cut by a framelock or flipper. I must be doing something wrong.
     
  8. DocJD

    DocJD

    Jan 29, 2016
    I don't really become fully comfortable with a new knife until it cuts me . :eek:
     
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  9. ErocSD

    ErocSD Gold Member Gold Member

    676
    Jan 21, 2019
    This +1
     
  10. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    58
    Aug 29, 2019
    Don't worry. You're not alone. I've gotten a few cuts over the years. It's usually from a new knife that I don't have the feel for yet. It's usually when I'm fidgeting with it or not paying attention to what I'm doing. For me, proper closing is usually a matter of clearing the detent ball and getting my thumb out of the way.

    My worst cut to date was with the little Tangram Amarillo. It has a nice thin blade that came wonderfully sharp from the factory. The action was already smooth and I'd just finished its virgin cleaning, oiling, and fine-tuning. The problem is that the knife is fairly small for my large hands and I've got some nerve issues. This made it awkward to handle. I depressed the liner lock with my thumb and cleared the detent ball. I moved my thumb out of the way and gently tapped the blade home with my pointer finger. No problem, right?

    Well, the tip of one of the fingers that was holding the knife was floating just inside the blade path. The blade stopped just shy of shearing off the corner of my fingertip. I carefully slid the knife out and watched the C-shaped cut start to drip. Don't get me wrong. I was impressed by how easily it cut me. It was just an extremely awkward type of cut that took a long time to heal.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2019
  11. Dcdavis

    Dcdavis Gold Member Gold Member

    386
    Oct 13, 2018
    Hit the Nail on the head there
     
  12. Dfunk1210

    Dfunk1210

    592
    Apr 7, 2015
    If all else fails, close the knife with the opening facing up so that you are pushing the spine upward to close.
     
  13. sgt1372

    sgt1372 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Oct 16, 2018
    Other than my autos, my favorite knives are those w/flipper tabs on them and I've never cut myself on a knife w/one either.
     
  14. NMpops

    NMpops

    699
    Aug 9, 2010
    Quit playing with it! I've noticed (and I was guilty too) that owners of OHO knives like to play with them.How fast can I "deploy it" then flipping it closed. Looks cool, impresses people but you will eventually get cut.
     
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  15. jp9mm

    jp9mm Basic Member Basic Member

    186
    Apr 1, 2019
    I've had some sharp blades on my more 'drop shut' action knifes fall on my thumb but never cut me.
    I have cut my palm while flipping smaller handled knifes open. ill have it slightly tilted in my hand and the tip will slice my palm as it opens.
    This is why i have a minimum handle length of about 3.75" and 4"+ is where it isn't a issue at all
     
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  16. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    58
    Aug 29, 2019
    I've had this happen with the Amarillo and a few other small flippers with pointy tips. Holding a small handle can put the muscled section at the base of my thumb in the way of the point upon opening. Contact is light enough that the point can drag without stopping, leading to a little nick.
     
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  17. NapalmCheese

    NapalmCheese

    361
    Aug 24, 2006
    I always thought framelocks and backlocks were a stupid idea since you pretty much necessarily have to put your finger in the path of the closing blade.

    Axis has always been my favorite followed by mid backlocks and the Spyderco compression lock. I need to pick up a Buck Marksman one of these days to see what I think of that.

    It's a shame so many flippers come with frame or liner locks.
     
  18. Chronovore

    Chronovore Basic Member Basic Member

    58
    Aug 29, 2019
    If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that my problems with liner locks are specific to knives that are awkwardly small for my hands. On normal-sized knives, it really isn't much of an issue. We've seen descriptions of safe opening practices from more than one member here.

    I mentioned that I have nerve damage in my hands. That can make thumb studs more difficult to use, and that sometimes gets my thumb moving close to the edge. While it poses no inherent safety risk, it also makes the movement for an Axis lock more taxing. (That's Benchmade, which is okay. I tried Ganzo's stiffer rendition of the Axis lock and it was downright impractical for EDC.)

    The plus side of liner and frame locks is that they are still easy for me. I also like that liner locks leave unbroken scale for the most part. I like a smooth scale wherever possible on my knives.
     
  19. Sergeua

    Sergeua Gold Member Gold Member

    May 1, 2016
    Never fear, spyderco Military is near :D
     
  20. Boozoo Chavis

    Boozoo Chavis

    Oct 18, 2003
    I own quite a few flippers, and have been bitten by a few, but my ZT 0462 is by far the worst offender. It's the one flipper I don't play with at my office desk anymore.
     

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