My Pet Peeves, Observations and Opinions

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(Thoughts after reading phantom4's thread in the For Sale Forum) This might not be the correct slot, but I was unsure where to post)

My Pet Peeves, Observations and Opinions, these are just a few.

I agree that the forums should be for all true knife lovers/collectors and that we should all treat the others with the same respect and honesty that we would like to receive. However, this is the real world and you are always going to have a few that want to take advantage of the situation. You must always be vigilant in your dealings with money and possessions.

I have been very fortunate on the forums and have only been burned once. I got the knife weeks after payment, but the condition of the knife was not near the quality, that I had been led to believe and if I had known the true condition would not have paid the price asked. I did not complain to the seller or post about the poor quality, but I will never buy or trade with him again.

Next, make me an offer. This insults my intelligence and yours. Only the seller knows what he is willing to take for an item.
When a new car salesman does this to me on a new car, I always counter with, "I'll give you $ 500.00". Of course this is not the response that they are looking for. I have not done this on the forums, but I do not respond to these ads.

Knife collecting can become an expensive hobby. There is nothing wrong with picking up a bargain for resale to support your habit. However, when you do resell it to another collector/hobbyist, why not make a smaller profit, let him have what he thinks is a "bargain" instead of full retail. It'll make you both happy. You'll soon have a reputation of a person to do business with.

My next pet peeve. You just happen to have (because you have an in with a dealer)for sale a production knife (made from some mystery steel) that is very much in demand but for some reason the supply has been limited by the manufacturer. (motive would not be to drive up demand and prices) Now it's fine to sell this knife for what you have in it. (including credit card interest if applicable. But again, A person should not charge your card until the item is shipped.) But do you really think that it is worth twice the twice the suggested retail. Yes, I know all about the law of supply and demand. I would love to purchase one, but will not buy until they are available to the masses at a reasonable price. Probably, will never own one.

And finally, the commercial dealers who lurk and sell in the Knifes for Sale/Individuals Forum.

Remember, you came into this world with nothing, you are going to leave with nothing but the reputation that you have created by your words and deeds.

I have met (communicated) many fine people from all over the world since joining the forums. This has been an excellent tool for education, knife promotion and socialization with other knife nuts. I want to especially thank Mike Turber, Spark and Blade Forums for the community that they have created.

Just my thoughts, not always perfect but they they are mine.

Stay Safe

sarge


[This message has been edited by sarge (edited 02-24-2000).]

The value of anything is in the "eye of the beholder" If they (the buyer) want the item and have the funds, by all means go for it. If a knife has gone up in value for whatever reason, use that as part of your pricing. Ask what you want and if you sell it, more power to you. All I say is please don't sell NIB mass production knives for full retail or more and claim to be just a hobbyist.

[This message has been edited by sarge (edited 02-24-2000).]
 
Way to go Sarge! I've got to admit an open "make me an offer" bothers me too. But I have no problem if the seller posts a price and adds or make me an offer. I've done this on a number of occassions and the seller and me usually wind up just about halfway between the original asking price and my first offer. IMO the only time an open "make an offer" is appropriate is with a rare or highly collectible piece where it is really difficult to come up with a fair price. But in that is the case, it would probably be better to auction the knife on an auction site.

phantom4

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Good points, Sarge. I agree with most of your opinions.

An exception would be a production knife that suddenly becomes limited and goes up in price. If someone wants to get rid of a knife, and the price has gone up, then it's the rare situation that a knife became an investment. I wouldn't feel right buying a knife from even a friend at the price he paid if the market price recently doubled. Like you, I probably would just not buy it; but there are plenty of people who would be very grateful to get ahold of it at the price, so no foul.

Let me add my own Pet Peeve: The notion of accumulating and posting lists of reputable people! I don't know if this idea has been nixed or not, but a month ago it seemed to be getting some momentum.

Being on a student budget, I don't let very many knives pass through my hands. I research and play with prospective knives for months before I buy them, and as a result, I have only sold one knife so far (a very pleasant and smooth transaction with Scott Coleman). The next knife I sell might be a year from now, and my absence from mega-lists can only hurt me in an otherwise fair forum.

In contrast, there are those who pass pounds of steel a year, and just because some successful transactions have occurred, doesn't mean the next one will be (see the thread "Beware D-...")



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GUILTY!! Sometimes I get so excited in wanting to trade something (most times) I use the dreaded"MAKE ME AN OFFER" but, also I don't always know what I want at the time.Sure most people know what they want in advance,not always so with me. But, that's my own problem/fault.Anyway, as for me Sarge you have a good point,from now on I will TRY not to use the dreaded"MAKE ME AN OFFER".Who knows this just might be good advice and open some door's I had closed on myself earlier. Thanks for the advice/slap to the head/wake up. Dave
 
Sarge, I don't see these as pet peeves, but something like coffee which, hopefully, would wake up people and let them realize what's going on.

Thanks for sharing with us.
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Dan
 
As far as the "rare production knife" thoughts, I'd like to toss something out. I don't tend to sell my knives, so this isn't me speaking from the seller's viewpoint, but rather as someone who has several "limited" knives.

To obtain my Spyder Lum, I waited patiently for the knife to appear in inventory for about 4 months, then spent well over a month making countless phone calls and e-mail inquiries, and ended up paying just a shade under retail. Anyone who really wants one as badly as I did can certainly do the same.

If I were to set a price, it would be substantially over retail, as the supply/demand equation would support it, and because I have a good enough self-image (and billing rate!) to believe that my time and effort are worth something.

Again, if someone wants to do the legwork themselves, they will probably pay retail or below. If they want me (or, ostensibly, someone else) to do it for them, they're going to pay for it. Not profiteering, compensation for time and effort.

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Caveat Emptor is an old expression that is more true today than ever. I agree, but I also cross-ship with forum members who I've conversed with and so far (knock wood) haven't been bitten. I hope it never happens, but I am not willing to forego my belief that most people are inherently good and become paranoid. I do feel like anyone should be able to offer any knife for any price they see fit. This is open capitalism, the basis for our economic situation in this country. We are, indeed, talking about a luxury item here and not a basic human need for survival. With that, if someone offers a Production Knife for double the retail price, and the knife is not difficult or impossible to obtain, the email the person and ask if it is ignorance, or purposeful. Some people pay ridiculously high prices for knives, only to find a resource like this later and see the err of their ways.

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Brandon

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Wow! Great post Sarge! I also read the other one but thought it would be better to respond here.

I would like to address your 'fowled' transaction and response. While I don't think you were necessarily wrong in not informing the person about the problem you had, I feel you must have thought they were a bit shady after dealing with them initially. Otherwise, why would you not offer them advice in an assertive way? It has taken me a TON of posting, reading, researching, etc to become as aware of blades as I am right now and to tell you the truth I still am not SURE of the difference between Drop Point, Clip Point, Spear Point, Bayonet Blade, etc. I understand some of it but cannot define and distinguish between those blades cause I haven't found anyone to let me in on the info/respond to my post. Anyway, my point is, if I were the person whom you dealt with I would be horrified to find out that someone let a deal with me go South and not let me know about it. I would be more comfortable if someone 'flamed' me publicly cause I would at least get the point! And as has already been posted here, given the chance to say "I #$@%@# UP! Sorry!" and go on to make better decisions. That is why I am wondering if you didn't already feel the person was less than honest to begin with.

As far as the pricing goes, I can tell you from experience that sometimes it is VERY hard to tell what a knife is worth when you start out. All I could do in the beginning was watch BA and see what the going rate was, hope to see a blade like mine for sale on the exchange as well, or go back to the site where I purchased from. Bad thing about that is I may have paid $25, goes for $40 on BA, don't see one for sale in the exchange, and listed on the site for $45, (respectively)?!! So, in that case (considering the knife is NIB), do you think 'Man, I got a pretty good deal maybe I could get my money back!', 'Man, I got a GREAT deal, maybe I could make my money back and then some for another knife!', 'Man, I'm glad I got a great deal on this knife so I can pass it on to the next guy by dropping my price $5!'???? Obviously the last one is the most altruistic and people would come to understand and expect that after being her awhile but when you are newer it is a pretty tough call cause you don't know if you are getting screwed and conversely if you are screwing someone else.
Personally, I would appreciate any and ALL feedback whether negative or positive on any posts or during any transactions and I hope that people are comfortable telling me I'm full of $&%* if I am, cause I may not know..... I just 'love' knives! I am not in a job where I EVER get to use one (except for scalpels and that's a bit different) and so don't have a lot of knowledge that some people may take for granted!

I would hope that, in addition to trusting people not to post bad deals, people here would feel comfortable telling someone when they are way off base. Could always be done by private email instead of posted.

Just my cent-and-a-half!
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Shawn

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Long after they have turned to dust.
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Tom your absolutely right, very insightful. It is a long story, but by the time that I finally received the knife, I was just glad that I had something for my money. If you know someone or have had previous dealings it is a lot easier to send off your money sight unseen. When your dealing with someone new, your strictly at their mercy. There are many fine people here, but unfortunately like everywhere else in this world, just a few out for themselves.
 
I've had the reverse happen to me, I'll
post a knife for sale at a very fair price and have someone offer half what I'm asking.
It doesn't really bother me, I just politely
decline their offer.

If your selling a standard knife here for more than I can buy it for at a dealer's site, you can keep it.

If the knife is a collectors item, I see no problem charging more than MSRP. How many cqc6 and MT APM's do you see selling for retail here?
 
Sarge: You should not have kept the knife of it was not in the condition stated.Send it back.Lose the postage.IMHO
Done probably 100 deals on this Forums,and will send an item back if it is not to my satisfaction.

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I am in the process right now of selling a Randall Model 17. I posted the knife for sale with "make me an offer". I did not do this to insult the intelligence of any potential buyers, I made the statement because I did not honestly know what the item was worth due to factors pertaining to the condition of the blade. When a buyer contacted me I sent detailed pictures of the knife and sheath along with descriptions of what I was trying to show in each photo. It was up to the buyer to decide what it was worth to him. He has knowledge of the style of knife and gave told me what it could be worth and what he could offer me for it. He appreciated my honesty in the situation and I appreciated his. I don't think it was underhanded, I think it was honest. Why post for twice the value and bicker or undervalue it and get duped? After all it's not a used car lot. I got what I wanted and my buyer gets what he wanted and we are both happy.

However in certain situations I will admit the "make me an offer" view is flawed. It may be an opportunity to play both ends against the middle. In the end though, you should be able decide on your own if you are paying a fair pricce or not. If not,then don't buy it!

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