New American high performance steels.

[nozh2002]

Buck is one of the company which never were too much involved in "super steel" games knife industry was playing after CPM S60V were introduced at the edge of the millennium. I was always wondering why and now I see and understand that such a respectable company should keep distance from all that.

However now after decade of hype and rush over one or another super steel, seems like truly good steels appear.

I am talking about Carpenter CTS-XHP and new Capenter CTS-BD30V which both show very good and good performance.

I think that it would be worse for Buck to have a look at this promising steels, which as well are made in America.

 

[David Martin]

Nozh, Reread your post and tell us what your trying to say? The steel is a S30V look a like. I've made knives from S60V and can see why Buck didn't give chase. The stuff is time comsuming,nasty to grind and work with and does not mirror polish well. Not to mention tricky to heat treat. Buck is more conservative in their approach to steels and liberal in their shapes and knife styles. I'm glad because in the final analysis the hype and gain is passed along to the customer. Plus, if you'd look closer I think I could name 10 different steels Buck has used in the last 15yrs.. DM

 

[5.56]

Also factor in that CTS-XHP is extremely difficult to come by.

 

[nozh2002]

Nozh, Reread your post and tell us what your trying to say? The steel is a S30V look a like. I've made knives from S60V and can see why Buck didn't give chase. The stuff is time comsuming,nasty to grind and work with and does not mirror polish well. Not to mention tricky to heat treat. Buck is more conservative in their approach to steels and liberal in their shapes and knife styles. I'm glad because in the final analysis the hype and gain is passed along to the customer. Plus, if you'd look closer I think I could name 10 different steels Buck has used in the last 15yrs.. DM

Well, reread my post - it is all there. I have nothing to add.

 

[Plumberdv]

Buck is one of the company which never were too much involved in "super steel" games knife industry was playing after CPM S60V were introduced at the edge of the millennium. I was always wondering why and now I see and understand that such a respectable company should keep distance from all that.

However now after decade of hype and rush over one or another super steel, seems like truly good steels appear.

I am talking about Carpenter CTS-XHP and new Capenter CTS-BD30V which both show very good and good performance.

I think that it would be worse for Buck to have a look at this promising steels, which as well are made in America.[/QUOTE]

I need this (in red above) translated.

I'm pretty sure that Buck takes a look at all the "new" and promising steels, but those may or may not fit into their manufacturing and marketing plan. I would think that if they feel there would be a large enough market and/or a benefit to both the company and their customers, a change would be made. I don't see them jumping in and adding new steels just to jump on the bandwagon or to follow the latest fad.

 

[nozh2002]

Buck is one of the company which never were too much involved in "super steel" games knife industry was playing after CPM S60V were introduced at the edge of the millennium. I was always wondering why and now I see and understand that such a respectable company should keep distance from all that.

However now after decade of hype and rush over one or another super steel, seems like truly good steels appear.

I am talking about Carpenter CTS-XHP and new Capenter CTS-BD30V which both show very good and good performance.

I think that it would be worse for Buck to have a look at this promising steels, which as well are made in America.[/QUOTE]

I need this (in red above) translated.

I'm pretty sure that Buck takes a look at all the "new" and promising steels, but those may or may not fit into their manufacturing and marketing plan. I would think that if they feel there would be a large enough market and/or a benefit to both the company and their customers, a change would be made. I don't see them jumping in and adding new steels just to jump on the bandwagon or to follow the latest fad.

I'm pretty sure that you understand it right - based on following statement. What in particular you need to be translated and to what language?

Anyway, I just try to bring to Buck attention that new American super steels really does performs unlike all other "super steels" pushed in for last ten years.

If you are not Buck, you may really not answer this...

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Plumberdv]

I'm pretty sure that you understand it right - based on following statement. What in particular you need to be translated and to what language?

Anyway, I just try to bring to Buck attention that new American super steels really does performs unlike all other "super steels" pushed in for last ten years.

If you are not Buck, you may really not answer this...

Thanks, Vassili.

What I was asking was for a clarification. What do you mean when you say it would be "worse" for Buck to have a look at the new steels?? If it would be "worse" for them, why do you say they should?

 

[BG42EDGE]

I think he meant to say "worth it" and doesn't realize what he wrote.

Context, context, context.

 

[BG42EDGE]

Buck is one of the company which never were too much involved in "super steel" games knife industry was playing after CPM S60V were introduced at the edge of the millennium. I was always wondering why and now I see and understand that such a respectable company should keep distance from all that.

However now after decade of hype and rush over one or another super steel, seems like truly good steels appear.

I am talking about Carpenter CTS-XHP and new Capenter CTS-BD30V which both show very good and good performance.

I think that it would be worse for Buck to have a look at this promising steels, which as well are made in America.

Buck is into making a lot of knives cheap. Mass production, maximum profit.

The steels you mention do not lend themselves to that.

Buck will not be interested.

 

[A.P.F.]

I think that it would be worse for Buck to have a look at this promising steels, which as well are made in America.

I believe he was trying to say words to the effect, 'Buck could do worse than to have a look at these promising American made steels'. At least that is my shot at it.

 

[Bastid]

Vassili,

If you do not want answers from people posted in your thread. Do not post.

Never mind. Looks like all those infractions have finally caught up with you and you will not be posting here any longer.

 

[BG42EDGE]

Interesting. I don't remember him posting here before.

To me, he sounded like English was his second language.

He appears to know a lot about steel--a topic that is exceedingly hot-button on all forums here and tends to get nasty.

I'm going to read his old posts and see if he really knows a lot.

Maybe he was one of our previously banned steel experts coming back with a new identity and the difficulty with English was just a ploy.

 

[BG42EDGE]

Oh yes.......if you check his website he's clearly a foreigner.....I just don't know what language that is.

I have to read a bit more of his stuff.

 

[unit]

Interesting. I don't remember him posting here before.

To me, he sounded like English was his second language.

He appears to know a lot about steel--a topic that is exceedingly hot-button on all forums here and tends to get nasty.

I'm going to read his old posts and see if he really knows a lot.

Maybe he was one of our previously banned steel experts coming back with a new identity and the difficulty with English was just a ploy.

He is Russian, and holds high regards for his findings that came from numerous hours investigating knives/steels on his twine cutting apparatus.

You assessments (above) are quite close, and your research of his posts should quickly uncover a more lengthy assessment of the situation

 

[zrfunited]

@bg42; vasilli has long contributed to this forum, but as you can see from previous posts, he likes to be contrary. Looks like it finally caught up with him.

 

[BG42EDGE]

I'll have to read more of his stuff later.

Steel is a tough topic. Many are too in love with their own opinions and the common wisdom is often not wise. People who actually do realistic tests often prove the common wisdom wrong.

We have had at least one steel expert banned because he disagreed with the non-expert majority so much and it got ugly.

I thought this Vasilli might be him come back in a new incarnation.

One thing I noticed is that Vasilli is aware that Buck has the best heat-treat and Buck 420HC can generally stay right up there in performance with supposedly superior steels.

That shows some knowledge.

 

[bucksforus]

I just leave the testing, making and selling to Buck. All I do is buy what works---and Bucks work---long and hard. Knives and employees both give superior service. IMHO.
Harold

 

[moonwilson]

A single tear rolls down the collective cheek of BFC at the loss of Nozh2002, one of our longest standing, and most accomplished trolls. Buck does not need his advice, and neither does BFC.

 

[BG42EDGE]

Sounds like he also worked pretty hard at testing, too.

I still want to read his stuff. I guess I can be the judge.

 

[Plumberdv]

A single tear rolls down the collective cheek of BFC at the loss of Nozh2002, one of our longest standing, and most accomplished trolls. Buck does not need his advice, and neither does BFC.

Hmmm, this must have been the straw that broke the camels back. I'd never noticed him before although after checking I see he posted a lot here. I won't go back and read everything to see what lead up to his banishment, I'll just assume that there was ample reason.

I suppose the steel issue would reach, (like so many other things) a point of diminishing returns. I mean, like how good does something have to be to fullfill it's intended purpose? Once you reach the point of needing lab instruments to prove that something is an improvement, is it really worth it?