New knife laws passed in Sweden : (

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2Sharp

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Hi

Read in the news paper this morning that after June/July there will be a crime to carry ANY knife in the driver/passenger compartment of your car!
Can't believe it, this is the answer to ONE stabbing that occured at a redlight crossing, someone had a knife in the car and stabbed a person over an argument(they jumped out of their cars and started arguing over whatever and one of them stabbed the other dead)

Lemme know what you think about this! and of course it's illegal to carry knives in public!

Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp in the Knifesheeple paradise of Sweden...

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You have my sympathy.I know what it feels like. Unfortunately, politicians go for election gimmics before practical measures.
If banning certain items worked then how come knife attacks have gone up since switchblades were banned in the UK 1956, etc,etc,etc,etc?
I wonder what HM customs will make of my Becker Knife and Tool Machax and Magnum Camp knives when they turn up? Perfectly legal to own in the UK, ( they are not 'Combat'knives afterall but purely field tools ), though not to carry anywhere. Great for gardening-I used to use a Blackjack Panga before it was stolen.
 
A knife in the passenger section of a car is necessary safety equipment - an escape tool in case of an accident. Perhaps a "rescue" type knife without a stabbing sort of point would pass muster?

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- JKM
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Hey Mr. Mattis!

X-actly my opinion, i very seldom go anywhere without a knife, even when i go weightlifting i carry.
If i had a car i definitely would have a few good knives in that one! in the driver/passenger compartment too.

Thanx for airing your ideas.

Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp

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Soudns pretty bad. Also sounds like this would exclude the possibility of having an adequately equipped emergency kit in your car... ala with a knife.
 
Sounds bad, stupid AND scary.

The way you worded it sounds like knife in a compartment = BAD but how about knife on your person or knife under a seat?

You got to write to your congress person and suggest they'd ban screwdrivers too. Pretty good for stabbing. Heavy wrenches should go next (you can hit somebody with it). And eventually ... hey! how about banning CARS. You can drive the damn thing to hit somebody.

Notice, no smiley faces here, because I don't think it's funny. Anyways, little chance for success, but that can be the other way to help people realize that they are stupid. Common sense arguing apparently doesn't work.

Cheers,
Kris
 
ANY knife huh? They didn't even specify a blade length? Well, what's the penalty if caught? Laws like this are hard to change and can take a long time to do so. I guess you'll have to take a walk on the dark side for a while.
My sympathies to you.
 
Hi Jonas,

feels like saying hello to my self because that's my name to.

What can I say about this ? It's really disappointing.
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You seem to have more knowledge then me in the knife laws here in Sweden, I knew about not to carry in public. Do you know what kind of penalty there is for carrying ?

I'll be off morning this sad news and just hope that they don't ban knives in general.


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A general ban on knives would be a general ban on food, clothing, and shelter, thus going a long way to solve the world's human overpopulation problem.
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VAD I HELA HELVETE?!?!
(a little cursing, xcuse me)

This is yet another stupid law that will not do anything to prevent violence...

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Tea drinker and hellraiser from Northern Sweden, above the arctic circle.

 
I still don't know why it is always the crooks that the law is worried about carrying and illegale weapon. I say that the crooks will always carry an illegale weapon. The citizens of the country need to tell the representatives that we need to change the laws so that we can use our edged tools for what they are made for. I have read in the forums that a motion of self defense is not a legal reason to carry anything. Until they can prove that they will always be riding close by in the event I need their help, I think that another means of insuring my safety should be allowed. All the laws that affect the carrying of articles for whatever reason we believe is necessary are worthless because the criminal does not obey the law.
On closing, if the other driver had been required by law to have a knife, the attacker would have been far less likely to went for his.

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Ray Kirk
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While there is no law prohibiting the carrying of ANY knife in a car in England there is a law prohibiting anything other than a non-locking folder of under 3" 'without good reason' in any public place. That includes inside a car.

At least we can keep anything we like inside the home, for the moment. No doubt there will be attempts to restrict the ownership of 'weapons' after two incidents in the past year involving 'samurai swords'. Both involved mentally unhinged individuals so of course any such ban wouldn't have stopped them but politicians just love to be seen to do something.

Meanwhile our police forces support any new restrictions while strutting round in their body armour with their martial arts batons, CS gas canisters. Not all armed with guns yet. Yet.

Roger
 
2Sharp,

My condolences to you... and I've been complaining about a debateable 2.5 inch limit for the post office.
We're lucky in Alabama...for now. The only real length limits are for fixed blades.

This should be a wakeup call to everyone from the U.S. on this thread....

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wayne
 
And I thought that we were the only ones who had legislators eaten up with the dumb ass. Guess it's true that the only distinction between a politician and a prostitute is that the prostitute will admit it.


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The only thing politicians care about is statistics. This is what they are trying to decrease. So they make laws to satisfy ignorant people who think everyone obeys the law. Most laws seem to concern guns here in the US right now. I am not sure about European gun laws, but I remember hearing that they are pretty strict in most places. If so this shows the chain of laws, after they have taken away all the guns from the honest person then they will go for then next weapon in the chain. The statistics change when these laws pass, usually people find other ways to commit violent acts, if they can not find a gun or a knife.

My favorite quote is from Archie Bunker talking to his daughter about gun violence. She tells Archie that so many thousand (can not remember the exact quote) people are killed by guns each year. Archie responds "would it make ya feel any better if they were pushed outa windows?"

This about sums up these laws, if some one wants to kill some one they will find a way. No laws will stop this. I guess they expect everyone to law down when they are jumped or mugged, give them all that they want, don't fight back there is a 75% chance they will not kill you, just beat the crap out of you.

One example of a gun law that actually worked was when Tennessee passed an anti-car jacking law. This allows people to shoot to kill anyone attempting to car jack them. I think it halved the number of car jackings with in two years.

Just my 2 cents

Vlad
 
Originally posted by 2Sharp:
Read in the news paper this morning that after June/July there will be a crime to carry ANY knife in the driver/passenger compartment of your car!

Lemme know what you think about this! and of course it's illegal to carry knives in public!
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What you read in the papers may or may not be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but truth. I know what it usually isn't.
Those who can read Swedish should go the parliament's web site, where all laws and proposals are available:
http://www.riksdagen.se/debatt/sfst/index.asp

Those in force: Författningar i fulltext.
This one, as it's not in force yet, is found in: Propositioner och skrivelser.
Search for "kniv" or "knivar" in both cases.

To sum up: This proposal is long, with changes to several laws, but the one pertaining to the 1988 law (which isn't just about knifes) is just that it removes the ambiguity of whether a car is or isn't a public space (one without a roof can be considered one under some circumstances), and says that in the context of this law it's considered equal to one if the car is in a public space. That's it, the rest is just like it's been the last 12 years.

The preamble to the law makes it clear that the lawmakers doesn't think it's rational to try to ban certain kinds of knives, as most knives have important and perfectly acceptible uses and they clearly state that it's not desirable at all to in any way restrict such uses <small>(and besides, as they write, any such regulations would be easy to circumvent anyway)</small> so we don't have any "length limits" and the like. <small>(Although there is or used to be a local ordinance in our capital disallowing people under 18 from carrying knives over 30 cm.)</small>

Well, there is one class of knife which you may not make, import, sell or own if you're too young in Sweden, and that's what I think is called "autos", and it's been like that since 1959. <small>(Suggestions to modify this law at this time were discarded.)</small>



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Jonas,
My compassion is with you and all Swedes.
I'm observing that more and more ways of the normal human behavior are made illegal by idiotic law regulations. The most irritating is the fact that these restrictions anyway aren't touching real crimes at all!
Sad conclusion: maybe they are ruling us already and this is the reason why these idiotic restrictions are in force for us are indifferent for them?
I must to write about it in Polish press, we must fight them until is not too late!

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