Ok... I give up... Somebody can help me?

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I'm quite a newbie in the topic of the smith job. But I'm no idiot as well.
I Have a precise notion of what a good weld must be, having worked in the electronic hardware sector for many years.
Weld with tin alloy, weld with silver, braze or do autogenous welding, a weld is always a weld and must have the same characteristics to be a good one.
So.
I can weld and braze decently if not well. I tried to weld steel to steel using iron welding rods in all manners.
No way.
First attempt was with a dual gas rig with oxygen and a propane-butane-propylene-acetilene mixture from Rohtenberger.
No way.
The flame is too cold. I can make it hot enough to melt the material, but to do so I have to dial up the oxygen tap so much that the welding rig becomes, actually, a cutting rig. The whole molten mass oxidizes, becomes porous and, although the weld seems ok initially, as it cools you can see it's all scale and porous. A single light tap with a hammer is all that's needed to make the whole thing come apart.
The mixture is the only one I could find in small cans.
I have no room for a full-sized acetilene torch, nor would it be wise to store such huge gas cans in my attic! :)
So I went and asked for small cans of acetilene and the guy gave me this can, it's called "Novacet" from Walkover.
Still, I couldn't make a decent weld.
I tested it trying to weld two nails together.
No way.
I tuned the flame so that the plume just disappeared, but anyway I got a mess. Leave some plume and the welding rod will not melt.
Somebody knows wich mixture is "novacet"?
Why I can't get a decent weld?
What I'm doing wrong?
 
Brazing with brass, or "soft" soldering with lead/tin solder, or silver brazing with "hard" silver solder, are all low temperature processes compared to the kind of welding that fuses iron and/or steel by melting it together,with or without the use of a ferrous rod to add material to the joint. I dont know of any gas torch that gets hot enough to actually weld except oxygen/acetylene. In the US you can get small canisters of MAPP gas to use with small propane type torches, and small fuel gas/oxygen torches that are similar in size, but the general consensus seems to be that these are ineffective if you are looking for a substitute for real oxy/acetylene performance. You may have to wait until you can get the real thing.
 
I agree with Fox Creek. I use Mapp quite often but not to weld steel. It does braze well but it is just not hot enough to do a good weld on anything but very thin material. If you don't have the room and the work you are doing allows this kind of weld, get an inexpensive arc or mig.
 
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