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OT: Beo, Ferrous, others with Teutonic interests...
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Oh my goodness...
No less than 386 pages worth of text. Keith and Ben are going to be up all night for a week!
No less than 386 pages worth of text. Keith and Ben are going to be up all night for a week!
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You might check out J.P Mallory's book "In search of the Indo-Europeans." He disucsses things in more detail, and discusses the Aryan myth.
I think the term "Aryan" is a little charged these days. In the 19th century, Guys like Guido vonList, V. Gordon Childe, and Rydberg laid the groundwork (perhaps unknowigly) for National Socialism in Germany. Their comparative philology also played an unfortunate role in the creation of 20th century racism.
Mallory dispels such things, and gets to the real archaeological, linguistic, and mythological discussions.
Keith
I think the term "Aryan" is a little charged these days. In the 19th century, Guys like Guido vonList, V. Gordon Childe, and Rydberg laid the groundwork (perhaps unknowigly) for National Socialism in Germany. Their comparative philology also played an unfortunate role in the creation of 20th century racism.
Mallory dispels such things, and gets to the real archaeological, linguistic, and mythological discussions.
Keith
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I agree that the term Aryan is not pc nowadays, but it is a term that was in use before the Nazis and other rascist scumbags used it as part of their propaganda. I didn't intend to offend anyone, and hope that I didn't. :footinmou adios, stevo
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Aryan is a sanskrit word for people who follow holly ways also for those of a higher understanding and knowledge. It also applied to a race, The word is prevalent in both Buddhism and Hinduism. goes back over 2000 years
In some parts of the world it's not a bad word.
In some parts of the world it's not a bad word.
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In the pan-pagan and heathen communities, it can be a loaded word. Muck like the venerable fylflot (swastika) has been sullied by Nazis.
My real prob with the text is the stuff that they use to make their argument (like cranial size or shape) and other stuff ended up in Mein Kampf and was used to justify $Hitler's agenda. Mein Kampf is a scary read.
Knowledge is power, just make sure you point it in a safe direction.
Azis is correct in his definitions.
For the record, I hate the PC movement.
Keith
My real prob with the text is the stuff that they use to make their argument (like cranial size or shape) and other stuff ended up in Mein Kampf and was used to justify $Hitler's agenda. Mein Kampf is a scary read.
Knowledge is power, just make sure you point it in a safe direction.
Azis is correct in his definitions.
For the record, I hate the PC movement.
Keith
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Thanks for link Stevomiller
I know what you mean,Ferrous. I just get so fed up with this PC garbage. A few years ago a Member of Parliament got in trouble with the media and the government members for quoting Adolf Hitler. They made him sound like a nazi. What he had said was "How lucky it is for rulers that men do not think". He was an opposition member, so he wasn't gloating. He was warning us, but all we got was this PC sniveling.
So I reckon Aryan is just as good a word as Nordic, Teutonic, Germanic, Caucasian, Kurgan or Proto-Indo-European, even if some fanatical anos did use it at one time.
By the way, why are heathens in particular offended by it?
So I reckon Aryan is just as good a word as Nordic, Teutonic, Germanic, Caucasian, Kurgan or Proto-Indo-European, even if some fanatical anos did use it at one time.
By the way, why are heathens in particular offended by it?
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some heathens. Not so much offended as they are "leery" of it.
well, it has to do a lot with the Whole Neo-National Socialism movement and the KKK. A lot of those groups use symbols or have used symbols in the past that were sacred to the folk. The term "Aryan" is (mis)appropriated and (mis)used along with all this other stuff to mean some form of master race or something. As has been stated before, the term has little to do with Blond haried blue eyed folks. There are some hate groups and white supremists who call themselves Aryan Nation and such.
You figure, the Sig rune is a sign for the sun, for victory. put two of those together and ya have the infamous logo of the SS.
The venerable tiw rune was incorporated by the Nazis into the Hitler Youth uniform and insignia.
The Anti-Defamation League sums it up nicely in their symbols database:
"Nazi Germany glorified an idealized "Aryan/Norse" heritage, consequently extremists have appropriated many symbols from pre-Christian Europe for their own uses. They give such symbols a racist significance, even though the symbols did not originally have such meaning and are often used by nonracists today, especially practitioners of modern pagan religions."
--and this--
"While not by nature a racist religion, Odinism is popular among white supremacists because its Old Norse origins are seen as representative of Aryan heritage and cultural pride. These symbols were common within Norse and ancient Germanic cultures and were later adopted by the Nazis for this reason."
--also--
"Although its traditional origins are nonracist, the Thor's Hammer symbol was adopted by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, especially racist practitioners of Odinism, a neo-pagan religion related to Ásatrú. Today, the symbol is displayed by many white supremacists in the form of jewelry, tattoos, and clothing, because they believe that Thor's Hammer signifies the strength and purity of the "Aryan race." "
Some links:
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Aryan_Nations.asp?xpicked=3&item=11
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Hammerskin.asp?xpicked=3&item=15
Anyhow, most of these groups are somehow Christian, yet use pagan and heathen symbols to push their load-o-crap on the masses.
Keith
well, it has to do a lot with the Whole Neo-National Socialism movement and the KKK. A lot of those groups use symbols or have used symbols in the past that were sacred to the folk. The term "Aryan" is (mis)appropriated and (mis)used along with all this other stuff to mean some form of master race or something. As has been stated before, the term has little to do with Blond haried blue eyed folks. There are some hate groups and white supremists who call themselves Aryan Nation and such.
You figure, the Sig rune is a sign for the sun, for victory. put two of those together and ya have the infamous logo of the SS.
The venerable tiw rune was incorporated by the Nazis into the Hitler Youth uniform and insignia.
The Anti-Defamation League sums it up nicely in their symbols database:
"Nazi Germany glorified an idealized "Aryan/Norse" heritage, consequently extremists have appropriated many symbols from pre-Christian Europe for their own uses. They give such symbols a racist significance, even though the symbols did not originally have such meaning and are often used by nonracists today, especially practitioners of modern pagan religions."
--and this--
"While not by nature a racist religion, Odinism is popular among white supremacists because its Old Norse origins are seen as representative of Aryan heritage and cultural pride. These symbols were common within Norse and ancient Germanic cultures and were later adopted by the Nazis for this reason."
--also--
"Although its traditional origins are nonracist, the Thor's Hammer symbol was adopted by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, especially racist practitioners of Odinism, a neo-pagan religion related to Ásatrú. Today, the symbol is displayed by many white supremacists in the form of jewelry, tattoos, and clothing, because they believe that Thor's Hammer signifies the strength and purity of the "Aryan race." "
Some links:
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Aryan_Nations.asp?xpicked=3&item=11
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Hammerskin.asp?xpicked=3&item=15
Anyhow, most of these groups are somehow Christian, yet use pagan and heathen symbols to push their load-o-crap on the masses.
Keith