OT: making springs made easy

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Recently I had to make up a batch of a dozen small V-springs. I tried a method I'd read about but never used before, and it appears to be pretty much foolproof. This is probably familiar to many of you guys, but just in case you haven't come across it before, here it is in 10 easy stages;

1. Raw materials. Take a piece of carbon steel - old knife or saw blades work well, also files. Or you can order spring steel stock from Dixie Gun Works.

2. If you're using recycled steel, anneal it first - heat it up to orange with a propane torch or similar heat source, and allow it to cool slowly

3. Having ascertained the dimensions of the spring you want to make, cut the steel to size with a hacksaw, file, grinder &c. If you need to bend it, get it orange hot (as above) first

4. Heat it to orange and quench it in water. At this stage it will be very brittle, so handle like eggs...

5. Dry the spring thoroughly

6. Dry it again.

7. Did I mention drying the spring?

8. In an old ladle, melt enough lead (as pure as possible; lead alloys such as wheel weights or bullet metal have a lower melting point) to cover the spring completely, and drop the spring into the melt. (This is why it's important to get it dry; water and molten lead is a very dangerous combination)

9. When the spring is sufficiently hot that, using a pair of long-nosed pliers, you can lift it out of the molten lead and no lead adheres to it, drop the spring into a half-full jar of engine oil NB the spring should not be hot enough to ignite the oil; likewise, there shouldn't be any droplets of molten lead on the spring to fall into the oil and start WW3; however, just in case you've gotten it wrong, keep your face and hands away from the oil...

10. The oil will bubble and smoke for a while. When it's stopped churning about and is still, remove the spring, wipe off the oil and buff it shiny if so desired. That's it!

Marginal relevance to khukuris; this technique produces a temper equivalent to deep blue (ie in the conventional tempering method, where you judge degree of temper by oxidization colors) and could therefore be used, in theory, for tempering large knife blades such as Bowies.
 
Originally posted by Tom Holt .........melt enough lead (as pure as possible
So the idea is to get the whole spring to an even heat,
at the temperature of melted lead,
without overheating any portion of the spring?

Sounds like a neat way to heat small items.
What's the temp of molten lead?

Sounds usable for knives or anything else if you had
sufficient volume of lead.
 
Originally posted by ddean
.What's the temp of molten lead?

Name: Lead
Symbol: Pb
Atomic Number: 82
Atomic Mass: 207.2 amu
Melting Point: 327.5 °C (600.65 °K, 621.5 °F)
Boiling Point: 1740.0 °C (2013.15 °K, 3164.0 °F)
Number of Protons/Electrons: 82
Number of Neutrons: 125
Crystal Structure: Cubic
Density @ 293 K: 11.34 g/cm3
Color: bluish

or there abouts...:D
 
I think I'll just buy the springs off the shelf.

Somehow this reminds me of the story of the Saddhu who used to walk across the Ganges. An observer watching the swami walk across the water said, "Why does he waste all that energy walking when he could take the ferry for two cents?"
 
...So the idea is to get the whole spring to an even heat...

I think that the same can be done with a molten salt bath. They are usually thermostatically controlled, and any temperature (within reason!!) above the melting point can be obtained. More spendy, but more versatile.

Tom--How do you make sure that you aren't too far above the lead's melting point??

The admission of any moisture to either is VERY hazardous-safety is serious business here...
 
Originally posted by firkin


"Tom--How do you make sure that you aren't too far above the lead's melting point??"

As soon as the lead is fully molten - not sticking to the ladle - I drop in the spring. Generally when melting the lead, I have the gas tap full on until the lead melts, then I back it off to a low flame, enough to keep the lead liquid but not to overheat it.


"The admission of any moisture to either is VERY hazardous-safety is serious business here... [/B]
"

Back in the Good Old Days before Confiscation in the UK, I used to harden bullets for long-range .44 magnum by casting in linotype cut half and half with solder, and 'skin-hardened' by quenching straight out of the mold in water, as recommended somewhere by the late great Elmer Keith (and, like all the Master's advice, it sure did work well!). I learned about water and molten lead the hard way when the mold handle picked up a few drops of water from the quench and transferred them to the melt... Fortunately I was wearing a full-length perspex face-mask, coveralls and thick leather gloves, so nothing important got burnt by the ensuing hellstorm.
 
Ah, cooking with gas...

I sure will be bummed out if I have to move to a place where electricity is used for everything.

Your lesson by hellstorm sounds exciting, but I don't think I'd care to experience it myself...I've seen something similar happen with an alloy called, I think, Wood's metal which melts at a somewhat lower temperature and is used for heating baths.
 
Elmer's old place in Salmon, Idaho was still up for sale last I heard.
 
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