PC vs. Mac for dummies...

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OK, full disclosure... I am the dummy here. My current work computer has been severely compromised by a virus or slew of them. It is a PC, running Windows XP. This is at least the third time that I have had serious enough virus infection to warrant some serious fixing. I don't know diddly about computers, so I trust those that do to make sure that the virus/spy-ware/ad-ware/etc. protection I have is good. I am not sure that my latest episode will be salvageable, so IF I have to buy something new... PC or Mac?

I would like the pros and cons for both, plus what you think is the absolute BEST in protection. I want to be able to surf without fear OR infection.

thank you in advance,
Mongo
 
I've been running my Mac G5 for about four years now. Runs as fast today as the day I bought it. I suppose it's possible that a Mac could catch a bug, but it's never happened to me, and I've never had to use any anti-virus software.
 
If your main concern is risk of infection, a Mac will win hands down. There is no comparison between a Mac and a PC in terms of security vulnerabilities.

This fact doesn't mean a Mac is best for you. This depends on what you are comfortable using and application availability. Windows XP can be locked up pretty tight without sacrificing much in terms of functionality. In my household we have 5 Win XP laptops and 2 Win XP desktops. 3 of the laptops and 1 of the desktops are being used by 3 11-14 year old boys. We've had 1 virus issue in the past year where 2 of the laptops got dinged by something being passed around on myspace. I do spend time making sure they are probably protected but it is worth the effort.


I also have a new MacBook pro that I just plain love. :)
 
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I've been running my Mac G5 for about four years now. Runs as fast today as the day I bought it. I suppose it's possible that a Mac could catch a bug, but it's never happened to me, and I've never had to use any anti-virus software.

If your main concern is risk of infection, a Mac will win hands down. There is no comparison between a Mac and a PC in terms of security vulnerabilities.
Ditto.
 
Another one for the Mac. I've been using Mac's since 1985. I've also used PC's, Linux and Unix. Mac OS 10 runs a variant of Unix, and it's fast, stable and virus free. The only viruses that have come out for the Mac (so far) have been "proof of concept" things in the lab. There have been no viruses or trojan horses released into the wild (again, so far). That doesn't mean that it can't -- or won't -- happen, but so far they've been immune.
 
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I used to hate macs. The scourge of vista caused me to go to the darkside... I doubt I'll return anytime soon to a Windows environment. Since your only looking at Mac & PC I won't make mention of the stability of other operating systems.

What I can tell you is that in three years of owning a mac it hasn't crashed or locked up once no matter how many programs I had open. That alone makes me love the mac OS.

My one question is what do you use (software wise) on your PC now and how in depth do you actually use programs such as MS Office.

The things I miss on my Mac are Outlook (if anybody has a comparable alternative I'd love to hear about it) as ical, address book and mail on the mac are just not as robust. If you use Excel or Access heavily you might miss those programs (note that I haven't tried the newest version of Office for Mac) I have replaced Office with Neo office (freeware and really pretty good) and the use of iwork. Pages and Keynote are good alternative programs. Beyond that check to make sure that any specialty software that you use has a mac counterpart.

Just my .02
 
The things I miss on my Mac are Outlook (if anybody has a comparable alternative I'd love to hear about it) as ical, address book and mail on the mac are just not as robust. If you use Excel or Access heavily you might miss those programs (note that I haven't tried the newest version of Office for Mac) I have replaced Office with Neo office (freeware and really pretty good) and the use of iwork. Pages and Keynote are good alternative programs. Beyond that check to make sure that any specialty software that you use has a mac counterpart.

Just my .02

I run MS Office on my MacBook Pro. It is a little different but very solid so far. No complaints. Actually....Office runs better on my Mac than it does on my Dell laptop running Vista with the same hardware specs as the MacBook.
 
I've been using Macs for almost 15 years now.

I NEVER had any antivirus on them and NEVER had any virus problems!

I surf the web every day, many times in dangerous neighbours ;) But never got a malware problem. Go on with confidence!
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My only qualm against Mac computers is software availability. The reason I will never own as Apple computer is due to the Starbucks loving wanna be hippies that use them. No offense to Mac users but seriously it is a computer not a lifestyle, please differentiate between the two.

That said, I obviously own a PC but have used Macs quite regularly and for general use they serve well.
 
If you want something that will work the ONLY option is a mac. As for cons, they cost more. I have had my mac for 2+ years and have never once wanted to throw it out the window. Also don't get too caught up in the numbers game (processors/ram) because mac's have more USABLE processing and available ram because of their streamlined operating system.

+100 for the Mac
 
OK, full disclosure... I am the dummy here. My current work computer has been severely compromised by a virus or slew of them. It is a PC, running Windows XP. This is at least the third time that I have had serious enough virus infection to warrant some serious fixing. I don't know diddly about computers, so I trust those that do to make sure that the virus/spy-ware/ad-ware/etc. protection I have is good. I am not sure that my latest episode will be salvageable, so IF I have to buy something new... PC or Mac?

I would like the pros and cons for both, plus what you think is the absolute BEST in protection. I want to be able to surf without fear OR infection.

thank you in advance,
Mongo
Macs are well-made, safe, and expensive. Certainly MacOS is safer than Windows for the average user.

What do you do on your computer? If email, internet, letters, and an occasional spreadsheet is all you use it for, then you have a very safe option BESIDES a Mac., at a fraction of the price:
http://www.dell.com/content/product...c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&~oid=us~en~29~linux_2~~

This is a 15.6" Dell laptop with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed. At $349 (I would splurge for a Core2Duo CPU for an extra $75 if I were you), you get a very nice machine, that will be as safe as any Mac (Macs start at ~$1200).

Don't get discouraged when you see "Linux" just because you think that you need to be a computer geek to use it. You don't. My parents have been using it for 2 years now, and I can tell you that I get LESS computer questions from them now, then when they were using Windows.

Just something to consider.
 
Mongo, what programs or sites are you visiting that keep infecting you? Do you have a good internet security suite? I'm not talking about the Windows garbage, Norton or MacAfee. But the Norton 2009 2.0 is a big jump from their previous version. Freeware, such as AVG, SpyBot and AdAware are effective only if you run them on a regular (daily) basis. An active program like Kaspersky, won't let you download or open files it finds bugs in.

The reason the Mac (and Linux) has better perceived protection is simply that it's not in use in the numbers MSFT's OS is. Why bother to write a hack program for an OS that represents 8% of the entire market?

A few things about surfing: the most popular browser is IE. Therefore it is the most commonly targeted door to your computer. The new IE8 has more holes in it than a screen door. Outlook and Outlook Express are the same way, simply due to the volume of use.

So with that said, I'll tell you what I use. My OS are XP Pro, SP3. My email is thru Thunderbird (Mozilla) and for a browser I use Chrome. I run 4 desktop computers and a laptop for work daily, and I've tested IE7 (not even going to upload IE8), Firefox and Chrome. The latter two are the best for me personally. For anti-virus, malware and such I've run Kaspersky's Internet Security Suite for over 5 years now and I've NEVER had a bug. Not once. Kaspersky has alerted me to potential attacks, and has blocked or quarantined every one of them. Since Jan 1 of this year, on my laptop alone, KIS has blocked or deleted 175 spam messages, 16 phishing, 10 riskware, 3 virus and 12 Trojan attacks. Their virus definitions update automatically (sometimes 4 or 5 times a day), and they guarantee a fix for any new bug that comes out within three hours. Gotta love those Cold War KGB guys when it comes to security!

I run streaming data with a direct link to the NYSE, CBOE, FOREX and NASDAQ daily. I've got to be certain I don't let bugs in the system.

Regardless of the OS you go with, make sure you've got a good security system. Spend the bucks to keep your computer protected. If you decide to go with XP again, keep it updated (updates come out the second Tuesday of the month, but critical patches can be sent out anytime) and back up your files on a regular basis.
 
If your main concern is risk of infection, a Mac will win hands down. There is no comparison between a Mac and a PC in terms of security vulnerabilities.

This is FALSE. Mac is rather insecure but is a less attractive target because of market share issues. In security contests, Macs fall first and fastest.

Apple has long recommended running anti-virus software.

I would agree that a Mac is less likely to be infected currently, but that's far from the claim of fewer security vulnerabilities.

As to which will be better for you, a Mac may well be less hassle. Nevertheless, Mac is still susceptible to the cross platform breaches in java and scripting and it sounds like you've not learned to compute safely.

Don't surf porn; don't download pirated software, music, or movies; don't click links in email or open attachments you didn't request even from trusted friends and family. Always know the site you're downloading anything from.

SPXTrader gives pretty good advice too. If you want free ant-virus, Avira is currently rating higher than AVG.
 
The reason the Mac (and Linux) has better perceived protection is simply that it's not in use in the numbers MSFT's OS is. Why bother to write a hack program for an OS that represents 8% of the entire market?
This is a common misconception. Certainly it is part of the reason. But the more important fact is that Unix-based systems (Linux, BSD, MacOS) handle applications very differently. With the User Account Control in Vista, MS made a real effort to emulate some of this infrastructure, but did it in a verbose and annoying manner (which they've since toned down).
A few things about surfing: the most popular browser is IE. Therefore it is the most commonly targeted door to your computer. The new IE8 has more holes in it than a screen door.
Actually, IE is full of holes, simply because it was written to be full of holes. ActiveX was a failure waiting to happen from the moment it was written, and IE still accounts for the vast majority of drive-by" malware infections, a majority that is quite disproportionate from its shrinking market share.
For anti-virus, malware and such I've run Kaspersky's Internet Security Suite for over 5 years now and I've NEVER had a bug. Not once. Kaspersky has alerted me to potential attacks, and has blocked or quarantined every one of them. Since Jan 1 of this year, on my laptop alone, KIS has blocked or deleted 175 spam messages, 16 phishing, 10 riskware, 3 virus and 12 Trojan attacks. Their virus definitions update automatically (sometimes 4 or 5 times a day), and they guarantee a fix for any new bug that comes out within three hours. Gotta love those Cold War KGB guys when it comes to security!
Kaspersky is a good choice, but it won't catch "zero-day" bugs. It's simply playing catch-up. The way to avoid having malware, is to avoid INSTALLING malware. Stop clicking OK to every window that pops up. Read them. Be mindful of social engineering takeover attempts.

Simply using Firefox with the NoScript, SecureLogin, and Adblock extensions will prevent 99%+ of all "drive-by" infections.

The rest are emailed trojans that need to be executed by the recipient, and they're easy to avoid if you just don't click on them.
Regardless of the OS you go with, make sure you've got a good security system. Spend the bucks to keep your computer protected. If you decide to go with XP again, keep it updated (updates come out the second Tuesday of the month, but critical patches can be sent out anytime) and back up your files on a regular basis.
There's no need to spend a lot of money to have a "security system"... one merely needs to set up the system to be secure from the beginning (use a non-administrative account, use a secure browser, be mindful of the email attachments, etc...).

However, whatever the reasons may be, you're far safer from malware AT THE MOMENT, if you use a Unix-based system, such as MacOS.
 
This is FALSE. Mac is rather insecure but is a less attractive target because of market share issues. In security contests, Macs fall first and fastest.

What security contests are you referencing to? I've seen many and like any test, the results can be twisted to an agenda. Some are using the recent trojan infected and illegally cracked copy of iLife as a reason slam the security of Mac OS X.
 
This is a common misconception.

No, it isn't. As I said, and phatch reiterated, there's nothing to be gained in writing hack programs for a OS that has less than 8% of the total market share. Apple does recommend running security on its OS.

Actually, IE is full of holes.

I never said it wasn't. That's why I said Firefox or Chrome is a better secured browser, and that IE8 is worse than IE7.

Kaspersky is a good choice, but it won't catch "zero-day" bugs. It's simply playing catch-up.
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I never said they did. What I said is they will have a patch within 3 hours of being notified of the issue. Not one other security provider makes this promise.

The rest are emailed trojans that need to be executed by the recipient, and they're easy to avoid if you just don't click on them.

Not true. Trojans aren't limited to email attachments.

There's no need to spend a lot of money to have a "security system"... one merely needs to set up the system to be secure from the beginning (use a non-administrative account, use a secure browser, be mindful of the email attachments, etc...).

You can set your system up anyway you wish. I know what has worked for me. Bug free for over 5 years.

However, whatever the reasons may be, you're far safer from malware AT THE MOMENT, if you use a Unix-based system, such as MacOS.

Again, do I want to spend my time cracking code for 100 million operating systems, or 8 million operating systems? Where can I do the most damage? Until Unix-based systems approach 50% of the total market share, what's the purpose in wasting time breaking it?
 
No, it isn't. As I said, and phatch reiterated, there's nothing to be gained in writing hack programs for a OS that has less than 8% of the total market share. Apple does recommend running security on its OS.
My conclusions come from results of hacking competitions such as "Pwn to own" and the like, where Windows machines are inevitably the first ones to fall.

By tapping the talent of white-hat hackers on the spot, rather than in the market, this variable can be largely controlled for.

Where, pray tell, does your evidence come from? Because at best, what you have is a conjecture resulting from a thought experiment, yet you choose to treat it as gospel. If you prefer, we can agree to disagree, as long as we both acknowledge that in an open system, it is mathematically impossible to either prove or disprove your claim factually.
I never said they did. What I said is they will have a patch within 3 hours of being notified of the issue. Not one other security provider makes this promise.
It may be an impressive number, but if you consider that during the hacking competitions, the participants customarily all use "zero-day" bugs, it's clear that the antivirus manufacturers will ALWAYS be behind the more determined criminals.
Not true. Trojans aren't limited to email attachments.
They can be present in most files. However, Unix-based systems do not allow execution of code by files that are not trusted, without explicit permission of the administrator... a policy that is further reinforced by the introduction of the AppArmor suite, which confines even trusted executables to a subset of possible actions. That being said, the majority of Trojans that are not acquired as a "drive-by" (by visiting a compromised web site) are acquired either by downloading and executing them willingly (under the guise of a key generator, or a pirated piece of software) or by executing them after opening an email attachment.
You can set your system up anyway you wish. I know what has worked for me. Bug free for over 5 years.
Being an avid (less so nowadays) gamer, I have used a Windows desktop for an excess of 10 years now, from Windows 3.11 all the way to 64-bit Vista SP1, without a single infection. But just like your story, my own experience is totally irrelevant to the question at hand.
Again, do I want to spend my time cracking code for 100 million operating systems, or 8 million operating systems? Where can I do the most damage?
Most "bot-nets" use Windows98-XP machines because they are relatively easy to infect due to large-scale oversights in the design of the OS (defaults to admin rights) and the browser (ActiveX in IE allows execution of arbitrary code). Vista machines are substantially more difficult to compromise in this manner.
Until Unix-based systems approach 50% of the total market share, what's the purpose in wasting time breaking it?
Actually, considering that most of the servers that supply the Internet to the rest of us, are running some form of Unix, I would say that they are by far the more attractive target.
 
Kaspersky is a good choice, but it won't catch "zero-day" bugs. .

Which is why heuristics are being added to most anti-virus and good tools exist to plug in for heuristic scanning for zero-day protection. Such as Threatfire.
 
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