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Is anyone here bidding on ebay item #00000000000000000, I am considering making a serious run on this one but do not want to run up the price on anyone in this forum. Also, does anyone know how many of these knives were actually produced? Thanks, Jamie
 
I was bidding on th last one, but it went for more than what I wanted to pay. I have my eye on something else at the moment.
 
Although Id like one of those and Ive seen him sell a few of them at high prices I will not buy from that seller. The 60T I have below cost me somewhere between $50-$60, there were few of them made. Best of luck.
Regards Tim

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mountaineergoldnblue said:
Is anyone here bidding on ebay item #00000000000000000, I am considering making a serious run on this one but do not want to run up the price on anyone in this forum. Also, does anyone know how many of these knives were actually produced? Thanks, Jamie
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When a mod comes along and sees a reference to a live Ebay auction, you might be in another doghouse. They've been frowning on that lately. Pretty knife! Awesome photo Timtools.
 
Just a note on these anniversary knives. Aside from the 34OT , there isn't much info on other 100th anniversary shielded OT's, but there was a bucketload of the shields sold at the auction, so beware of what you buy. It's pretty east to glue these shields on anything and call it a 100th anniversary knife . It's also pretty easy to print a piece of sticky back paper with a hundred little 100th anniversary stickers and glue them on a bunch of boxes. Heck SMKW even distributed a slew of China made 100th Ann. OT's in tins. They were upfront about it but in reality it only adds to the confusion.

Eric
 
Just a note on these anniversary knives. Aside from the 34OT , there isn't much info on other 100th anniversary shielded OT's, but there was a bucketload of the shields sold at the auction, so beware of what you buy. It's pretty east to glue these shields on anything and call it a 100th anniversary knife . It's also pretty easy to print a piece of sticky back paper with a hundred little 100th anniversary stickers and glue them on a bunch of boxes. Heck SMKW even distributed a slew of China made 100th Ann. OT's in tins. They were upfront about it but in reality it only adds to the confusion.

Eric

PS- sorry about the double post, I thought I lost the first one, but it was just surrounded by turtles.
 
Eric, I couldn't agree more about massive numbers of "Anniversary" knives that have been assembled from WIP, or parts, or made offshore, and sold as the real deal. Very confusing.
Of course no one wants to hear it, but there is a TON of stuff assembled long after the fact, and called RARE, or limited edition. You just need to try and do your homework to protect yourself. If it sounds too good to be true.....?

Here are 2 8 OTs, that came directly from the short-lived Schrade online store, celebrating the 100th Anniversary. No middlemen, no dealers, no tricks, right from Schrade.

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I've never seen another like the A8OBN (serial #010), with the Old Timer rope shield, and 100th blade etch, shipped to me in a plain white box in June of 2004, that was supposed to be 1 of 100 (?). Notice the 2 separate shields on the sawcut version, also before closing. I love to see the special knives, but...JMO...there are a TON of parts knives being doctored and sold as something special (not just Anniversary, but as "Samples" and such). Just to grind the collector out of a few bucks.

Jerks.:mad:

Again, JMO.

Bill
 
Ops, I thought this thread had been deleted otherwise i would not have posted the pic of my Anniversary 60T again in new thread. Sorry for any confusion.
Tim
 
It's pretty east to glue these shields on anything and call it a 100th anniversary knife
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Im not sure if it is as easy as that? Arent these sheilds actually recessed or machined slightly into the surface when done correctly? Isnt this evident under close inspection (please see pic above), I could be wrong Ill check mine again.

I dont doubt that there are a few faudulent ones around but the prospective buyer must keep in mind that a few of these were authentic and are an exceptional find.

Think of it this way. Were can you purchase an anniversary knife made by any other manafacturer spanning 100 years that dates the last year of its production inscribed on the knife which also happens to be its anniversary date?? Unheard of !! These are very very unique !!
 
Sorry Tim, I didn't mean to sound like I was talking a bout your knife, I was just speaking in general. I think you'd need to find a blank, shieldless knife (good luck finding one of those) in order to glue one of the 100th shields on, otherwise you'd see the recess from the previous Old Timer shield. The only other way is to cut it into the handle, which seems like a heck of a lot more work than it's worth. Of course I wouldn't put it past some folks with some extra "parts" and unfinished pieces from the sale to go and try something like this.
I'm more concerned with the China ones muddying up the market. By the way, I read somewhere on a past thread that there were plans to slowly introduce the 100th shielded old timers (one a month perhaps), throughout 2004.could be these additional models were produced for this purpose before the close.
 
To clarify,

I was not referring to Tim's knives in particular either. I believe Tim has some very fine knives. :thumbup::thumbup:
I was mostly referring to the general flooding of "Special" Schrades (Anniversaries...yes...but all the Protos, Samples, and one of a kinds) that has gone on for the last year (+ or -), when we all know there were truckloads of parts, that have become completed knives, and been sold on eBay.
I'm just expressing an opinion of caution and common sense, regarding the source and the knife, when looking for something special.

Sorry if it came across otherwise.

Bill (out for coffee)
 
I agree it does make it difficult, i wish there was some standard rule that applied to all in determining difference. Below is quote from a friend regarding prototype Schrades, all these knives appeared and are still appearing on ebay but mixed with alot of others as well.

I dont think anyone really knows how many Protos Schrade had in there stash when they closed.

ALL OF THESE KNIVES WERE FOUND AFTER SCHRADE WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. EACH AND EVERYONE OF THESE KNIVES WERE ACQUIRED BY SMOKY MOUNTAIN & BLUE RIDGE KNIVES AND HAVE SINCE BEEN SOLD TO DEALERS.
 
Ditto, when you've been burned a time or two by fraudulent sellers, you develop a little paranoia when it comes to analizing knives. All kinds of "what ifs" cross your mind. You learn to avoid sellers who sound like used car salesmen, or seem to have the market cornered on "protos". I've seen one seller in particular who marketed a number of Schrade knives as one of a kinds, but when I pulled up a completed sales list on Ebay it yielded a number of identical knives. Of course folks fell for it and he netted triple what the others sold for. The FBI knife is one of these. If these shysters are in it for a living an etching machine is a worthwhile investment, heck they only need the zeros. (There goes my paranoia again). You just need to be careful with how much you're willing to spend on these "protos", salesman samples, and photo samples when in many cases an identical production version can be had for a fraction of the cost. I might as well add this too: A lot of folks are under the imression that when a numbered limited edition comes out, the lowest numbered knives are the first ones made. In actuality, it's a multiple step process. The knives are first made, then trays of them are brought to the etching machine, where someone etches them in whatever order he desires. It's a lot of work setting the machine up to match different knife patterns, so it's not done until all the knives are completed, or in the case of editions in the thousands, large batches are completed.This means that your 001 knife might actually have been the 200th knife to be assembled. Even though many folks put a premium on low numbered knives, I don't think it's worth dropping more cash for these than an identical higher numbered example. This is all IMParanoidHO , sorry for going off on a tangent:confused::D


Eric
 
I don't think it's worth dropping more cash for these than an identical higher numbered example.Sorry for going off on a tangent
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You may be right and I know I have purchased knives and paid 3 times the amount they would likely have sold for if they had no 000 on them.

As far as low serial numbers are concerned its just nice to have a 001 on a knife especially if you really like the particular knife but I do agree with you and think
its very likely that many buy for the wrong reasons as you mentioned (re order of production). Thanks for pointing that out.
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I know that I may never re-claim my money if I ever sell some of my 000 knives but really at the time I purchased them I didnt care. I know that if Schrade had not closed I would
never have had the opportunity to purchase these rarer 000 types, to me they are history. But in the final analysis you may be correct they may not be worth much more
money than the standard knife, but thats OK I will consider it a privilege to have owned them.
Regards Tim

Funny as it sounds the numbers on some of these below speak volumes about what happened to Schrade in 2004. Sorry the photo is not quite standard as I have highlighted the numbers.

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Geez that is a fine collection Tim! Just having them all together like that is priceless. Like I said above it was just my humble opinion, not something that I search for, but I've got a sneaking suspicion that if you ever do decide to sell them, you will get all, if not more of your money back. Especially the rare ones like the fire departments and the Alberta Jubilee (That's my favorite, and the first I've seen, although that Coast Guard is right up there as well). There are a large number of folks who seem to pick up nothing but the sample knives, and pay a large amount for them as well.

Eric
 
The FBI knife is one of these
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Thanks Eric
Yes I know what you mean with the Schrade FBI knives, Ive seen a few of these sell as protos because they were incomplete in some way?? These same knives also had no zeros stamped, I never could quite work out how no zeros and an incomplete logo or sheild makes it a proto. Some sell others as protos because they should have numbers but dont? I really cant work that one out either? Its seems that anything even slightly different must be a proto according to some? Perhaps I am just uninformed here?
 
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