Pledge to shut up about MD/testing for one week

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Well well, we've certainly had an interesting time around here lately: through much intense discussion and furious debate, we've shed a little light on things, and produced large amounts of smoke and heat in the process. Regardless of which side of the fence you find yourself on, I think we can all agree on at least this much.

Well, now, most all the good ideas and arguments on both sides have been given voice, and we're left repeating previous arguments or just hurling barbed words back and forth. It's gotten counterproductive, and just plain tiresome.

I've had some small part in the melee (I was the one who first suggested X-raying as a non-destructive way to find out if tang notches were a widespread thing), and I've had some fun at MD's expense, talking about Milk Bones and such. I was trying to make several points, and sarcasm is a pretty common operating mode for me, but I helped fan the flames a bit, and for that I apologize.

So here's the deal: I'm gonna pledge to cease and desist further comment on this issue for a week; I'll state my position (hopefully in a calm, peaceful, and non-imflammatory way), and leave it at that, for a week. I'd like to encourage everyone else here to do the same...

I figure that, after a week has passed, some additional facts may have surfaced, and we'll all have calmed down a bit. And one week is an achievable goal, it's not like I'm asking you to give up the topic forever...

I realize that not everyone is in a position to make such a pledge, as Mike and Spark, and presumably a few from the Mad Dog camp (if not MD himself), would need to remain "able to speak", so that new information can be made public as it comes to light. But I'd encourage everyone else to make this same pledge. (Yes, I know you still have comments you want to make, so do I, I can think of lots of witty comments to make, but I'm gonna hold my tongue.)

So, here's my pledge:
I hereby publically pledge to refrain from further online comment on the issue of Mad Dog Knives and the testing thereof, for a period of one week, starting now, Sunday evening, November 7th, 1999 and ending Sunday evening, November 14th, 1999.

And, here, I'll say my piece:
I think Mike's testing was fair. I agree that for any of a variety of reasons the ATAK tested may very well have not been representative of Kevin's current production. I'd like to see a newer knife retested, which sounds like it's in the works. Regardless of whether or not there's any obligation, I think it'd be a nice gesture if Mad Dog agreed to replace or at least re-handle the first test knife. I don't think there's been any conspiracy on either side. And I think both Mad Dog and Busse make kicka** knives, which have been optimized for different uses. I'd love to have one of each
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There, that about covers it.

Finally, I'd like to ask, I implore you: no bickering on THIS thread, please; post here ONLY to accept this challenge.

Care to you join me?
-- Carl

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Shouldn't all this be in the Knife Reviews forum anyway?

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA



 
Not really St. James as the tesing is a feature of BFC and not just a review.

As for the offer, I agree and will only answer questions and provide more facts as they come in and only that. If I do not answer questions I will not be doing my job. And if I do not post new informations as I receive it, then again I am witholding info.

This will blow over just like every other issue we have ever had.



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Good idea!

Mad Dog knives are not something that I get excited about, one way or another, so taking the pledge is easy for me!

Though I may still post a "Point of order!" from time to time.


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- JKM
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A week's rest isn't a bad idea. In addition, I'd like to post a plea that people "stick with facts", regardless of timing. Tim's testing of his extra-sharp specimen is indeed a set of facts; Walt's revised X-Rays at an angle will be facts, Mike Turber's report back from the University on Rockwells will be factual.

Facts should not be met with flames. I ask that we all at least *try* and stick with facts, and those of us without them and with known biases try and a stay out of it, or at least not "feed the flames".

Facts will help. Flames, personal attacks and general bickering won't.

Thanx.

Jim
 
OK, I find myself "in" pretty easily as I have found it increasingly possible to not mention MD at all when talking about serious knives.

I'll take superior workmanship from a quiet and competent maker over ficticious super-spook mythologizing and cult-building makers any day of the week.

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Ernest Hemingway
 
Agreed. Also it's a good idea for us to help list all the "facts" before we shut up. Then any findings afterwards will be followed from them. These are the facts that I am (or used to be) interested

- The maker stated that the test ATAK had a defective blade, which could be judged from the notch on the tang.

- The maker stated that a number of defective blades might have leaked from their shop during certain period of time.

- The maker made some analogy in their forum to the case someone had stolen a mold from the government and made his/her own bills, the government should not be held responsible.

- The replacement could be considered only if the owner was an original owner and acquired the knife from an authorized dealer. It must be proved that the maker did receive payment for the knife.

I'll now shut up. Did I miss something? pls help fill out.

Dew.
 
"Zinger", James? Sounds like one you push in and cut to the right.

I'll accept this pledge easily, since I haven't participated except to read and otherwise kept quiet.

I applaud any decision to rein in the hormones, gentlemen.
 
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