Posting pic's.

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Spark
About attaching pics -

Using your own bandwidth to post pics is great. If you want to host them, post away.

Using mine when that person isn't gold is unsat.

Should be pretty clear.

In other news, if you have a problem with policies, START A SEPERATE THREAD FOR IT IN THE SERVICE & SUPPORT FORUM

Following Spark's advise, here's my question: Can a premium member, in his own thread, use his own server to link pictures for a non-paying member?

I understand the following:

* Premium members can upload pics.
* Basic members can only link pic's using the "img" command.

Thanks.

 

[Spark]

If you want to host images for someone else and link to them from your own server, by all means, feel free.

You may not, however, take images from basic members and "attach" them into our database.

Any other questions?

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Spark
Any other questions?

Yes. If I do exactly that, should I be accused of helping a Basic member circumvent the picture rules?

If not, then, can I reference this thread as statement to that fact?

 

[Spark]

If you want to host pictures for people, be my guest - I think you'll find it's a pain in the butt after a while. Not to mention that it kinda defeats the purpose of the site actually being supported by the members who use it. Attaching pictures (and not having to host them) is a bennie for people who support the site. Not to mention that it's a lot nicer when people look at older threads - no broken image links.

If you attach them, expect a warning - as stated, it's a no go.

Regardless, don't sweat the small stuff.

 

[Gollnick]

Every time in the past when the issue of picture posting for others has come up, I have tried to be very consistent.

The analogy I've repeatedly used is that of a gym membership. You can not got to my club using my membership card. My contract with my club is for me only. I can use the facilities as much as I want to and as often as I want to, but only me.

On the other hand, if you come by my house and say, "Chuck, can I take a run on your NordicTrack?" my club has no say in the matter. I own the NordicTrack. It's in my house. If I want to loan it to you, that's my business. It does not involve my club, so they have no say in it.

If you use my club membership, then you are obtaining the benefits of membership without paying, against the club's policy, and in violation of my membership contract with the club.

On the internet, the issues are bandwidth and disk space. Those who have websites, especially popular ones, know that disk space and bandwidth cost money.

When you actually upload a picture to the forum, you are hosting it on Spark's computer using his disk space and his bandwidth. The contract that you have with him as a paid member is that you can use that facility as much and as often as you like, but only you.

If you post pictures for other non-members, then they are obtaining the benefits of paid membership without paying, against the forum's policy, and in violation of your membership contract.

But if you have your own NordicTrack, you can loan it out to anyone you want to and if you have your own website, you can host pictures for other people if you want to.

Once those pictures are hosted, they can be included in forum posts using the img command. The key here is that when you use the img command, the picture remains hosted at your own site. It does not consume Spark's bandwidth or disk space.

This has been the policy in this forum and at bf.c practically since paid membership was instituted. While maybe someone can dredge up a case or two where it was not followed, I believe that this policy has been followed with remarkable consistency all along.

I certainly know that I have articulated it several times.

This policy is clear and simple and has a good basis in fact. I don't understand why we're arguing about it.

 

[tonyccw]

Reposting to conserve bandwidth in the other thread.

Originally posted by Gollnick
This policy is clear and simple and has a good basis in fact. I don't understand why we're arguing about it.

It's definitely a lot clearer since we've gotten Spark's version on it. But if you read what you wrote here, to what you said in the thread I linked, it certainly wasn't consistent behaviour Chuck. Why was Dawkinds asked to not help another member post a pic hosted off another computer? See why we get confused and have to keep arguing?

 

[Icon of Sin]

A mistake was made in that thread and was mentioned as a mistake. That is all. I see no confusion about it. I picked up on it the first time I read it and Im sure you did too, but instead you wanted to make it a big issue.

Now there is no doubt that you know Sparks decision on Pic Posting.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Gollnick
If, Tony, you will go back and read the entire thread that you linked to, you will notice that I made a mistake in scolding Dawkind. I didn't check to see how the picture in question was hosted. That was explained in subsequent posts in that thread.

OK. Call me blind, but I didn't see a retraction indicating that the scolding was unjustified. I see the RGray making a concession in that he was the one that initiated the process. But, at no point in that thread was there any indication, until this thread, that what was done was proper.

I'm sorry that I'm not perfect.

However, one mistake on my part does not constitute a policy and it seems only to confuse a minority of people.

It confuse a minority that cared about participation. Unfortunately, it's these types of confusion that that specific minority is extremely vocal about, because at no time was their conduct warranting any level of sanction from the Moderators. And because we, the minority, do want to repeat the same mistakes, that's why we asked for guidelines and rules. Because we're very tired of being told that we're violating a rule that we thought we adhering to.

Please give our new moderators your full support and cooperation. Please also understand that they're still learning their job and they're not perfect either. They're trying to do a good job. They're offering their time and effort to make a positive contribution for the community.

All I asked was that I thought it was against the rules. Unfortunately, that question was not answered until by Spark in this thread.

There's an old adage about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Perhaps if you were ever to make a mistake, you would prefer it if someone noticing your error might quitely draw your attention to it gently and privately instead of rocking the boat by trying to making a big, embarrassing public spectacle out of it.

No problem with being pointed out when I make a mistake, Chuck. You've done it quite often, that I expect it when it occurs. (I can cite examples Chuck). But, what is different between you and I, is that when I do make a mistake, at least I acknowledge it.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Icon of Sin
A mistake was made in that thread and was mentioned as a mistake. That is all. I see no confusion about it. I picked up on it the first time I read it and Im sure you did too, but instead you wanted to make it a big issue.

Now there is no doubt that you know Sparks decision on Pic Posting.

Yes I know a mistake was made. But, I repeat: No final decision was made in that thread. I was confused because, even after the admission of error, RGray still posted the following comment:

Originally posted by RGRAY


Basic members should not ask paying members to post pictures for them.

Which lead me to believe that even posting a pic via hosting was not permissible. The final clarification was made in this thread.

So, in conclusion, it OK for anyone, Basic or Advanced members, to host a pic, and use the "img" codes to link it here. And it's even OK for an Advance member to take a picture of another member's knife and upload that pic if he himself took the picture.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Gollnick
Oh, and Tony, Spark also clearly stated another policy of his:

I know, that's why I asked you to continue it here. And besides, I was answering your question there.

I'd split this thread taking these discussions there so as not to hijack Mr. JimConnell's thread about Typhoon, but I'm not sure I can split threads across forums and I haven't got the time to figure it out.

Why would you split the threads when you've already posted the same response to both threads?

 

[Icon of Sin]

Yes I know a mistake was made. But, I repeat: No final decision was made in that thread.

You noticed the mistake was made, so the rules reagrding pic posting before this matter in the thread you stated would have still been in effect. We do not need to change/state rules everytime someone makes a mistake.

You are making this a way bigger issue then what it has to be.

Lets get down to the meat of it.

Pic posting is ok to have another member do it if they are not using BF.Com space.

Thats the small and skinny of it, so the matter at hand should now be solved since you now know the rule reagarding this. No need for further discussion.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Icon of Sin
You noticed the mistake was made, so the rules reagrding pic posting before this matter in the thread you stated would have still been in effect. We do not need to change/state rules everytime someone makes a mistake.

It's not a matter of changing the rules, but just making it clearer. The reason everyone got involves in the heated discussion is that we did not believe Dudley was doing anything wrong, and so we came to his defense. The fact that Chuck did not make a retraction, and that RGray posted that last comment (see above) did not resolve the issue. The mistake was there, and we found it. But we were left without anything concrete.

You are making this a way bigger issue then what it has to be.

Lets get down to the meat of it.

Pic posting is ok to have another member do it if they are not using BF.Com space.

Thats the small and skinny of it, so the matter at hand should now be solved since you now know the rule reagarding this. No need for further discussion.

I was fine with no further discussion until Chuck posted his response.

 

[Icon of Sin]

Unfortunately, that question was not answered until by Spark in this thread.

Tony I stated that I wasnt using the BF Servers and that it is OK to post pics for others without using the BF servers.

I also stated this too you multiple times in email before Spark told you. So the question was answered.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Icon of Sin
Tony I stated that I wasnt using the BF Servers and that it is OK to post pics for others without using the BF servers.

I also stated this too you multiple times in email before Spark told you. So the question was answered.

Heath: the problem was never which server was hosting the pic, but rather who should be able to post it. As I said in my emails to your emails, I was under the impression that an Advanced member may not link photos for Basic members. At no time did your emails address that, and at no time was that question answered in the previous thread. If you see the date for this thread, that's the date the question was answered.

 

[Icon of Sin]

Tony you are not fighting a losing battle anymore, you are fighting in a battle you have already lost. Please get over this and move on to posting somthing that people care about and that they are not complaining about reading.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Icon of Sin
Tony you are not fighting a losing battle anymore, you are fighting in a battle you have already lost. Please get over this and move on to posting somthing that people care about and that they are not complaining about reading.

Heath: I'm not fighting anything. I'm perfectly satisfied with the outcome of the question I originally posted here, and was answered by Kevin.

I'm not fighting anything anymore. Just clarifying points that you and Chuck still seems to not grasp. If you can come back and cite exactly where you think you've addressed the last part of the exchange, I'll publically, in this thread, make amends.

 

[Icon of Sin]

Tony, I do not need to bend to your wishes, but I will grant you your request for my own satifaction.

Here is this first time I commented on it.

im not selling anything Tony and I have the owners permission, same as "No Limitation" hosting the 60mb vid for me.

here is the second time.

Neiter me or Lanny are paying members, although I am a moderator now I have the rights to upload a picture using the BF.com webspace. But I still wont do that since Im not a paying member. I am using my own webspace to host these pictures. And my rules of my webspace say thats ok with my permission...

Now you can say as much as you want that the problem is not about where they are uploaded. But the problem is about where they are uploaded. You have acknowledged seeing the mistake that the moderators made in the thread you have posted. So then you would know the rules would still be in effect from before that. The fact is not of someone posting pics for another, but it IS regarding where they are hosted. Bringing up the question of whether people are posting pics for anyone else not on BF.COM space is petty and ridiculous and a waste of time. Just like all these posts that were created answering this. They are a waste of time for rules that you know well but just like to debate so you think you look good and does you publicity. Stop wasting your time and our time with stuff like this.

This is the last post I am making regarding this. It is pointless to keep this mindless drivel going.

 

[tonyccw]

Originally posted by Icon of Sin
So then you would know the rules would still be in effect from before that. The fact is not of someone posting pics for another, but it IS regarding where they are hosted. Bringing up the question of whether people are posting pics for anyone else not on BF.COM space is petty and ridiculous and a waste of time.

You see it from the logistics point of view, I was referencing it from the permissioning point of view. It's not about who can or can host pic's, but rather who is allowed to post link pic's for whom. You've addressed the hosting issue; the copyright issue, but not the permissioning issue. Right now, the best we will ever hope to agree to is to disagree.

Just like all these posts that were created answering this. They are a waste of time for rules that you know well but just like to debate so you think you look good and does you publicity. Stop wasting your time and our time with stuff like this.

If we could have just gotten consistent behaviour, and then a quick and simple clarification by the Mods the first time around, there would be no issues. No need for this thread. The fact that Sparks addressed this question shows that there were aspects of it not answered. We know have this thread to reference to, and everyone involved is aware of what is and what is not permissible. In that regard, this was not entirely a waste of effort.

Not saying mistakes don't happen, but at least bring it to resolution, quickly, and in a timely manner.

This is the last post I am making regarding this. It is pointless to keep this mindless drivel going.

I agree. This will be my last comment on this topic, until one of the Moderators forget, and then it'll be brought back up.

 

[Spark]

Dude, what's the deal? I'm sensing that this isn't about clarifying the rules, but your seeming to have a beef about something else - what that is, I don't know.

Whatever it is, please don't hesitate to contact me off the site if you have an issue with the workings of this place.

With regards to mod's or myself enforcing (or lack thereof) of the rules, we're only human. If you are looking for perfection, we're all pretty short of it.