PUBLIC STATEMENT (not an apology)

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I apologize!(NOT) I was just trying to get my post count waaaaay up like bugs so that I too could be an expert on knives and people here.
Then someone else jumps in my face and suggests counseling in order to join the human race.
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I just want to be perfect and without faults like all you guys.
Excuse me for thinking the gallery forum was for pics or the for sale by maker was for selling knives. I come to shop talk for information about making knives, not seeing pics of a knife for sale from every conceivable angle which takes my old computer 2-3 minutes to load them. Wouldn't one nice pic of a knife be sufficient? I too enjoy seeing new knives pictured here just not an entire brochure on it. Then it always comes down to someone wanting to know the price and Bruce responds $*** plus shipping. Now as a newbie you are going to tell me this doesn't look like more of an advertisement? Well, I work in advertising so nice try.
I mentioned the fact that Bruce posted the exact same pics and thread in many different forums and got the lame response of "well not everyone reads all the forums so it reaches more people!" Another advertising method
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Did it ever occur to this guy that maybe thats why people dont read every forum??? Maybe the don't want to see the same thing over and over?
Then Bruce himself tells me that is enough out of me and all I ever said to him was that I did think he does nice work and I also liked the pics. Damn freindly bunch of guys here! Glad I am not part of your little group. Have a great time patting each other on the backs constantly and jumping on new guys with a slightly different opinion than yours and running them off
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BTW.....my dad can kick your dads a$$
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Justknives-

Since you're obviously familiar with Bruce's posts, and you don't like the amount of pics. Why would you even open one of his threads?

The forum is titled "Shop Talk" which means it can include any sort of interaction knifemakers, buyers, etc. may have in a maker's shop. That includes showing new pieces. That's the first thing I do when friends come over. Plain Ol' Bill came down today and the first thing we did was go over some work I've been doing...I had no intention whatsoever of selling Bill a knife.

This argument has been made before...this forum is not titled "Cut and dried knifemaking instruction."

I can't recall Bruce putting prices on his posts.

Posting pics in other forums isn't necessarily "another advertising method." I didn't read any other forum until a few months ago. Had Bruce never posted here I wouldn't have known what his work was like. Had I not seen his work I wouldn't have valued his advice and explanations nearly as much as I do knowing he can create the knives that he does.

We should all have a right to our own opinion and be able to voice it. I know the responses to the other thread got out of hand... but it wasn't helped by the follow ups either. A little respect goes a long way. I never jumped on your back, or patted anyone else on theirs...it's a shame you felt this was the best way for you to get the last word
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[This message has been edited by NickWheeler (edited 06-24-2001).]
 
You know JK, I expect this sh&^ on AK47 and AR15 and heaven forbid on Tom Bowers but it doesn't happen here very much. Bruces post to you is the first cross word I've ever heard from him...ever.

So far all that's been accomplished is a lot of wasted bandwidth. Give it a rest!
 
justknives, my signature was tailor made for you. Move on, grow up, get a life and then come back and give us a another try. We respond differently to courteous, intelligent young adults. Give courtesy a try and see what happens.

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I'm pretty new to the bladeforums but eveything that Bruce has ever posted has been positive. And its not like hes just posting his kinifes here, he helps people out with there problems on this website and on his own. Thata pretty nice of him considering he makes knifes for living. He also congradulates other people on there work. This the only forum I visit on this site and so far it has been great. Every question I've asked has been answered friendly and quickly. And I love that Bruce posts his knives here, and I want him to continue so that I dont have to go searching everywhere else to find his pictures. I also have never seen him post prices with his stuff, he just shows his knives and we all drool over them. You seem to be the only one with a problem of him posting here, so if you want to continue coming to this forum you should just skip over the topics with his name next to them. Bruce dont justknives make you think twice about you posting here, just keep doing it the way you have been.
 
Funny But I follow the forums every day since almost the begining and its my recollection that almost all the knives bruce has posted have already been sold. They were pix of COMPLETED orders. Granted he may recieve other orders from it but I dont see how they fit in to the makers for sale forum. As others have stated you do have the option of not opening or looking at a particular thread. I dont really participate in general any more because I find most of it redundent and inflametory. I CHOOSE not to read them. I dont find it nessesary to particapate in each thread and express my feelings about it. If ya dont like the pix dont look. Please let it alone. You expressed your opinion .... we all heard it .... now go away !!
 
Justknives? Don't go away mad. Just GO AWAY!
This is not what this sight needs. People starting sh*t for no other reason than being irritated that someone (who we all like) is posting pics of one knife in multiple areas of this forum is assinine. It is absolutley positivley NOT HARD AT ALL TO KEEP FROM CLICKING ON A POST!!!!!! You see one that you looked at somewhere else on this forum, you KEEP ON MOVING BUDDY!!!!! Don't click on the damn thing if it upsets you to see it!!
Damn where do these people come from!!!!!
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Hey Just....

Maybe lets try this Again..

Don't know your history, nor do I care, for the most part the group on BF.c is a freindly bunch of people with a wide variety of knowledge in various things including knives...

So from the top...

Welcome to the forums Just Knives. Please feel free to join in and share your experiences and questions with everyone...

Everyone here has something to Learn as well as Share...

This isn't directed at anyone, and as I said earlier,, I don't know the history,, but lets remember that new people joining BF.c are the life blood of these forums..

If they stop coming or are turned away, this place is going to get old fast,,dry up and Die...So lets remember to give everyone the benefit of doubt and maybe a little bit of respect...

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I've never felt that I knew a knife from one pic. In fact, five pics are just a start to really knowing a knife. Holding and playing with a knife are how you get to know and love it. Most knife knuts know this.
By the way, one of the things that marks you as a troll is that you have no profile, or any personal information available.
This is me. http://www.freespeech.org/oz/
Who are you?

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Gotta stick my 2cents worth in too. I am just setting up to start making blades. Been watching the forum and making machinery so far. I have already learned a lot from Bruce just by looking at and drooling over the pics of what he has posted. Now if I can ever even start to approach the level of work he attains I will be a happy camper. Keep on posting - Lord knows I need to learn more!
 
As one who wishes to remain counted among the wise, I have read the posts in question extensively before writing this, and have come to some conclusions that I'd like to share with everyone. I think that things here have gotten a little out of hand, some folks need to be directly addressed that have contributed to the fray, and then faded quietly into the background when somebody asked whose fault it was...

Justknives: while the post you made about Bruce posting on other forums was valid as a question, had you analyzed the nature of Bruce's many posts, you would see that not only is he a pretty nice guy, but has a genuine interest in bringing the joy of smithing to as many people as possible.
I don't post alot, but I read as many as I can. You, being a newbie on the forum (like me) should not be expected to know the motivations of the veterans of the forum. However, the rest of your posts after that were somewhat inflamatory, and were quite insulting to those you addressed. Some of them were designed to aggravate people even more than they already were.

Bug3x: Granted the comment about Bruce using the forums as an advertising media was somewhat discourteous, but to be fair, if the guy hasn't read that many posts, he could see the abundant nature of Bruce's posts as advertising. Most of us who've taken the time to read what Bruce types know that he's just rightfully proud of his work, and wants everybody to gain something from his talent.
Your reply was designed to diminish Justknives. Granted the question was somewhat insulting, but that was due to the blunt nature of the statement. Your reply was insulting and anger-ridden when a simple "You'll know it's not true if you just hang around and listen to the things that Bruce has to say" would have sufficed. I realize that it's hard to see a friend insulted, but a little bit of charity goes along was in the ways of communication

Bruce: I can see how you may have seen yourself as the source of this, because it was your post, but you handled it gracefully, and ALL of us know that you are rather blameless in the situation.

Now let's all just get along. The longer we drag this out, the less time we get to spend looking at really cool knives, and talking about them.

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JK - Enuff. Perhaps, probably there was a small bit of overreaction to your original post. Don't egg it on. Bruce Evans has, over the last 3 years opened his shop, mind, experience, and home to me and allowed me an advantage that few makers share. He has taught me the nuances and specifics of knifemaking, he has given me free of charge - never once have I asked, an anvil, steel, a post vise, 4 grinders, tongs, brass, spacer material handle material, a blower for my forge, a professional type floor model drill press - I just gotta find 4 men and a boy to help me move it, 10 years of wisdom and technique. I have become virtually one of his family, his beautiful wife welcomes me into her home, feeds me - man can that girl cook.... most valuable and importantly, Bruce has given the rarest of gifts to me without question, his loyal friendship. Come to Bruce's shop, meet the man, and you will soon lose the sour arrogance you seem to favor. Perhaps you need not apologize, but let a dead dog lie. You can benefit so much from the folks on this forum if you choose... you do wish to make knives and share in the wonder of same right? We post pics to show what we have done. We invite constructive criticism to learn and improve, and yes, our egos are fed by the kind compliments we share with each other. So what! It is human nature to seek motivation to continue and grow! Stop the war and join the peace. Bruce is my special friend and I stand by him. You are missing a sterling experience by seeking to continue the childishness that has evolved. Post a picture of your work, that will speak more sucinctly of who you are and what you can do than unfounded arrogance or misguided uninformed baseless criticism. Remember, when you assume, you make an ASS of U and Me.
 
justknives -- my, my. First time you posted this it got no response whatsoever, so now who's using up bandwidth?

Had others ignored this post, I would have too. And, I know I should have, because attention is what you pathetic cretins thrive on.

I sure wish you'd show us the post or e-mail from a moderator or Spark asking you to run the forums. As I pointed out in a previous post, your very first post on the forums was similar in nature, and properly got you labelled for the troll you are, and was locked. And, back then, just like this post, you come back to post another thread, basically telling the forumites to shove it.

As I said in my first post to you, yours was the first nasty post I'd ever seen on this forum. You trebled that at least with your chicken-s^%t posts. Now, you've started a completely nasty post, because people ignored your last bit of vituperative nonsense. I guess that makes you feel good that you can have some success at messing up something nice for a lot of other people.

Your continued anonymity proves you have the typical eunuch-style courage. Your soprano comments are not wanted here. You are a troll, pure and simple, just more persistent than most. You and your garbage are not wanted here. Why don't you take the hint and vamoose?

This is the last post I'll direct to you. You are beneath contempt, a little bit of syphilitic flotsam on the dirty sea of life. Leave us alone!

This thread has nothing to do with knives, and I request that a moderator lock/delete, do whatever is possible to get this bunghole out of our existence.



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I agree.....I normally don't believe in book burning but this has gotten out of hand...

Can the MODERATOR PLEASE PULL THE PLUG!
 
I have trouble understanding how you can claim to be so wronged when are constantly inviting these people to tell you what troll you are by sniping at people who have a legitimate problem with your behaviour. Charitable dicussion works both ways.
What do you hope to accomplish by asking Bugs if he "missed his medication". Do you expect points for being clever? While I usually dislike people being flamed, Bugs' last post was almost poetic. I have tried to keep an open mind about you, but you keep proving that you have no interest in constructive conversation unless it is to buffer your own inflamatory remarks.
Why?
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