Rookie question about 110 rivets.

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In Dec. of this year, I bought a custom shop 110, S30V, NS bolsters, indigo diamondwood w/rivets. I also got lucky enough to snag one of the 154CM black diamonwood web specials that so many of us jumped on.

One thing I just noticed today is that the 154CM knife has 4 rivets, 3 of which are brass, one is silver in color. The custom shop 110 only has 3 rivets, all silver to match the NS bolsters. I looked at the threads for the 154CM pictures, and they all have the 3 brass rivets and the one silver rivet. Does anyone know why? Just curious.
 
The silver pin functions as a pivot for the lock. It is silver because it is steel and used for durability. The other pins are part of the liner and don't run all the way through like the pivot.
 
Daniel is correct the silver and larger rivet is the pivot for the rocker bar that locks the blade. The others are scale rivets that seat in the bolster liner on one side. The CS110 also has a rivet for the rocker bar however it only spans bolster liner to bolster liner so it's there you just can't see it. A lot of people like a clean piece of wood or horn with no rivets at all.

CS110 scale is almost always glued {even if it has scale rivets) where as entry level knives say the one you would buy at walmart is only riveted. I haven't checked but I doubt the 154cm knife is glued.

Hope that helps.
 
Actually, everything that you see is decorative, as far as I know. I thought they were all glued and there is no practical need for any rivet or pin to show on the sides of a 110.

But then Flatlander comes along and bursts my bubble.

What next?

:)
 
Planetcat said:
In Dec. of this year, I bought a custom shop 110, S30V, NS bolsters, indigo diamondwood w/rivets. I also got lucky enough to snag one of the 154CM black diamonwood web specials that so many of us jumped on.

One thing I just noticed today is that the 154CM knife has 4 rivets, 3 of which are brass, one is silver in color. The custom shop 110 only has 3 rivets, all silver to match the NS bolsters. I looked at the threads for the 154CM pictures, and they all have the 3 brass rivets and the one silver rivet. Does anyone know why? Just curious.
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You can go with Flatlander's info. He has done quite a few rehandle jobs himself and would know whether or not the standard knives have scales that are glued as well as riveted. Also, I have the same information from a gentleman who makes a living rehandleing them, the standard 110's are not glued.
 
Flat, is the rivet that is holding the rocker bar stainless or brass (if it hidden)? I realize that the exposed ones are stainless.
 
Wow, thanks for the info. Very interesting. I continue to be amazed at how strong, tight, and sharp the 110's are, despite my collection of tactical and other premium steel knives. These new 110's I got really rekindled my interest in Buck, not to mention the great aesthetics.
 
When trying to distinguish between white brass/Nickel Silver rivets and stainless steel or plain steel rivets, a magnet is useful.
 
edbeau said:
Flat, is the rivet that is holding the rocker bar stainless or brass (if it hidden)? I realize that the exposed ones are stainless.
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Just a guess on my part, but if they use steel for the rocker bar pivot for durability, I can't imagine why they would use anything else just because it is hidden.:confused:
 
edbeau said:
Flat, is the rivet that is holding the rocker bar stainless or brass (if it hidden)? I realize that the exposed ones are stainless.
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Ed, I'm pretty sure they are all SS as it's a hardened steel and would hold up better in the long run over brass (hidden or visable).

edit: didn't see Dave's post...I'd guess 403 SS but I'm not sure, it could be 416 SS. Maybe Jeff or someone will chime in. But rocker rivets are SS for increased durability.
 
They changed from brass to stainless steel in the early seventies or so.....and there must have been a good reason for that (strength) so I don't see why they'd ever go back to brass.
 
Flatlander1963 said:
Ed, I'm pretty sure they are all SS as it's a hardened steel and would hold up better in the long run over brass (hidden or visable).

edit: didn't see Dave's post...I'd guess 403 SS but I'm not sure, it could be 416 SS. Maybe Jeff or someone will chime in. But rocker rivets are SS for increased durability.
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Actually, the rocker pin is SS. I was wrong as I originally said NS.

Eric
 
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arksknives said:
Actually, the rocker pin is nickel-silver.

Eric
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You sure about that Eric??

Edit: I've asked someone at the factory that should know. Answer shortly.

Second Edit: Joe's data sheet for the 110 list the rocker rivets as stainless steel.
 
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First Flat says no glue on the new 110s......now Eric say the rocker pin is nickel.

All my notions of how 110s are made are being destroyed.

:D
 
Flatlander1963 said:
You sure about that Eric??

Edit: I've asked someone at the factory that should know. Answer shortly.

Second Edit: Joe's data sheet for the 110 list the rocker rivets as stainless steel.
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A magnet doesn't stick to the rocker pin on a NIB 110 I just checked

Eric
 
arksknives said:
A magnet doesn't stick to the rocker pin on a NIB 110 I just checked

Eric
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I found the same thing Eric but that doesn't mean it can't be SS. I found this about the stuff, so I think it means it depends on what type of stainless is used.

"All austenitic grades have very low magnetic permeabilities and hence show almost no response to a magnet when in the annealed condition; the situation is, however, far less clear when these steels have been cold worked by wire drawing, rolling or even centreless grinding, shot blasting or heavy polishing. After substantial cold working Grade 304 may exhibit quite strong response to a magnet, whereas Grades 310 and 316 will in most instances still be almost totally non-responsive."
 
Plumberdv said:
I found the same thing Eric but that doesn't mean it can't be SS. I found this about the stuff, so I think it means it depends on what type of stainless is used.

"All austenitic grades have very low magnetic permeabilities and hence show almost no response to a magnet when in the annealed condition; the situation is, however, far less clear when these steels have been cold worked by wire drawing, rolling or even centreless grinding, shot blasting or heavy polishing. After substantial cold working Grade 304 may exhibit quite strong response to a magnet, whereas Grades 310 and 316 will in most instances still be almost totally non-responsive."
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You taught me something today Dave! I thought any stainless would react to a magnet.:foot:

Eric
 
The blade pin on a NS 110 is NS so I guess I thought the rocker pins were also NS because the are very soft like NS. I guess we will find out when I ask Leroy.

Eric
 
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