Rounded screws on my Military

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I just want to voice out something that i'm not happy about. I've got a brand new digicam military and is really happy about how well the knife was made. But before using it, i wanted to take the military apart to clean off some lint that are hard to reach. I like taking my knives apart to clean them btw. The problem with this military is however, that many of the screws cannot be unscrewed because they are rounded. The weird thing is that the screws are only rounded in the anticlockwise direction.
Anyway, I contacted Spyderco, and person A told me to send it over. Ok, so did i. Few days later, 'A' told me that they have fixed it and there will be $25 repair cost. I'm fine with it as long as i can dismantle my knife once again although i don't quite understand how is it my fault. After 2-3 weeks, my military arrived. Excited, I tried to unscrew it. Now, it still has the exact same problem. I contacted 'A' again, and 'A' told me that i could be using the wrong torx driver. I am 100% sure that i am not because i am able to remove the clip screws and a 2 other screws from the handle. I contacted 'A' again, asking him/her for advise on what can be done. Almost a week later(now), i still haven't receive any reply.
From my previous experience with Spyderco, i am sure that they had one of the best customer service and warranty out there. However, i am really disappointed this time. I know that disassembling the military will void the warranty, but i only attempted to do so. Well, maybe it's really my fault... but i thought that if i managed to disassemble more complicated knives such as the Navaja, superleaf, and the paramilitary2 without any problems, how could i have damaged the military screws so easily? Unless they came to me already damaged?
That's all i have to say.
 
I get you bought it used if it already had lint in it right?

What is a "rounded " screw?

Are you taking into account the loctite, and softening it up before unscrewing?

There are a lot of reasons they don't really want people taking them apart. When they advise against it and someone then does it anyway, buggers up the screws twice, and complains on an international forum it puts them on the spot. What are you wanting out of this?

Personally I'd not be blaming Spyderco but looking at where and how I was messing up. When I saw where it was I went wrong I'd sure not be caught doing it twice.

Oh well.

Joe
 
That's why the warranty is voided when you take your knife apart. You can always use compressed air or water to blow out debris.
 
You are using Torx drivers, right? You mention the clip screws, but those are Phillips head screws on all of my Military versions. Some people mistake hex/Allen for Torx and the result is almost always "rounded"-out driver recesses on the screwheads.
 
Im gonna have to go with user error on this one..whether it be the wrong bit used or too much force. The body screws on the military are substantially smaller compared to the knives that you've taken apart and they are prone to stripping. Clip screws are not phillips. I just got done taking apart and cleaning my xhp military and I used the same bit on the clip and body screws
 
You really do not need to dismantle the knife to clean it. People like to take things apart just to do it. You know how to clean your knife?

Wash it in warm soapy water.
Open and close it about 20-30 times under water
Rinse it off with cool clean water
Compressed/canned air dusters will remove about 99% of the remaining water in the handle.
Reoil the blade or pivot as you see fit


Trust me when I tell you that there is no lint left in any knife after that. No need to take anything apart, at all. If you insist on dismantling something that a manufacturer tells you not to, you forfeit your right for complaints and freebie repairs. It's one or the other, cannot have both.
 
I don't know what assembly process they use at golden as far as screws are concerned (pneumatic, hand, electric), but I've always wondered if the possibility exists that the torque setting on a particular mechanical tool may be set too high. My M4 millie had slightly "cammed-out" scale screws when I received it (I'm the original owner), but not so bad that I couldn't take them out. I was able to acquire a virgin set of screws and replaced them instead of making a fuss about it.






You are using Torx drivers, right? You mention the clip screws, but those are Phillips head screws on all of my Military versions. Some people mistake hex/Allen for Torx and the result is almost always "rounded"-out driver recesses on the screwheads.


Some of the older Millies have phillips head screws, at least I assume they are older as I have a couple with phillips head screws for the clip that have nylon washers instead of pb washers.
 
I have a new military. The scale screws and the clip screws are both T6 torx head screws. The scale screws which are flat head have a noticeably shallower torx recess than the button head clip screws. The scale screws would strip fairly easily if one isn't careful removing /installing them, There is also more slop/play when the torx bit is installed than the button head variety. Be sure to use a good amount of downward pressure when removing them. You can obtain replacement scale screws from http://www.fastener-express.com/2-5...ad-150--t-6-drive-stainless-torx-qty-100.aspx
 
Sorry but i wasn't clear. I've been bringing my military out as a self defence kind of knife so it has been into many pockets, but i have not cut anything yet. The point is not whether i should or should not disassemble my knife, it is about why cant i remove it?
Yes, ALL the screws used on the military requires torx 6, and i have the driver. I can remove the 3 clip screws and 2 other screws on the military. The rest cannot be removed. They are rounded- stripped. Come on, i have not even took anything out besides the 3 clip screws and 2 handle screws, and i have to pay $25 to get back the knife with the same problem? Then i emailed twice and received no replies anymore after that? Ok, maybe 'A' thinks im going overboard.
 
The point is not whether i should or should not disassemble my knife, it is about why cant i remove it?
Spyderco does not advertise their folding knives as being "user serviceable", they do not publish instructions on disassembly/reassembly, and they specify that damage caused by tinkering voids the warranty. Makes me think they only uses screw construction to make it easier for them to assemble and service knives and may use tools and fixtures not readily available to the rest of us. Some folks have the skill and patience to do so anyway, some don't.
 
I had the same problem with my Tenacious and Resilience when I tried to adjust the pivot screws and switch the pocket clip positions. I have adjusted at least 10 of my other non-Spyderco folders with no issues whatsoever.:(
 
I have the same problem with my military. Two torx screws were stripped during my attempt to take apart my knife. My knife is an older type though as the box is still the gray one (bought it brand new four or five years ago). Wouldn't send it in back for repair as the costs for shipping the knife to and from the US (I'm from the Philippines) would mean almost half the price of the knife. I thought it was just a defect on the old run of military knives. Seeing that the OP's problem is on a current run knife, I think Spyderco should check the torx screws it puts on the military.
 
I have the same problem with my military. Two torx screws were stripped during my attempt to take apart my knife. My knife is an older type though as the box is still the gray one (bought it brand new four or five years ago). Wouldn't send it in back for repair as the costs for shipping the knife to and from the US (I'm from the Philippines) would mean almost half the price of the knife. I thought it was just a defect on the old run of military knives. Seeing that the OP's problem is on a current run knife, I think Spyderco should check the torx screws it puts on the military.

I stay in Singapore, and the shipping cost to Spyderco is almost 1/3 the cost of my knife. Even with that expense spent, the problem is still not fixed. The customer service officer also said that extra screws would be sent back with me together with my knife, but i didn't receive any.
 
I can't speak to a particular case, but a whole lot of Torx drivers are very poorly sized and fit poorly in Torx fasteners. The same is true of some Torx fasteners (poorly sized recess for driver). If the driver doesn't fit the fastener properly, you will "round out" the recess in the fastener head.
 
I can't speak to a particular case, but a whole lot of Torx drivers are very poorly sized and fit poorly in Torx fasteners. The same is true of some Torx fasteners (poorly sized recess for driver). If the driver doesn't fit the fastener properly, you will "round out" the recess in the fastener head.



QFT.

OP, you can get an entire set of torx drivers from home depot for a few bucks and they may work, but after someone mentioned them here, I bought a set of Wiha drivers. If you are the type that likes to take things apart, I suggest you look into those. Having quality tools makes all the difference.
 
I have a new military. The scale screws and the clip screws are both T6 torx head screws. The scale screws which are flat head have a noticeably shallower torx recess than the button head clip screws. The scale screws would strip fairly easily if one isn't careful removing /installing them, There is also more slop/play when the torx bit is installed than the button head variety. Be sure to use a good amount of downward pressure when removing them. You can obtain replacement scale screws from http://www.fastener-express.com/2-5...ad-150--t-6-drive-stainless-torx-qty-100.aspx
are these the same as the military screws?
 
my 2 cents the military is the only knife i have messed up the screws,i got all the bits,it is like the screws are soft or shallow the bit does not break and no mater what tip you use you they will Slip.
 
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I can't speak to a particular case, but a whole lot of Torx drivers are very poorly sized and fit poorly in Torx fasteners. The same is true of some Torx fasteners (poorly sized recess for driver). If the driver doesn't fit the fastener properly, you will "round out" the recess in the fastener head.

This.
 
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