S30v 113

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BG42EDGE said:
Buy a blem and send it off for stag.

You'll do better.

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Sorry BG,
I like the AG's S30V blade much better than the blems 420HC. I don't mind the price for the better blade and we have some fantastic folks here who could add the stag, Like Eric, Heath, WBC, or Leroy just to mention a few. I also like the AG blade coating, will have to stop by Cableas on day soon!
jb4570
 
I didn't even know they made that,we get the canadian cabelas cat. and they aren't in there,not to mention almost every buck knife is on backorder on the site.I'd love to have one to try out this fall.I'm after a AG vanguard right now but can't get one as Cabelas U.S won't ship to Canada,and out Cabelas is showing backorder.Dang,there are some knives out right now that are sweet!
 
The price on AGs, but on that 113, especially......seems WAY out of line if you consider what S30V should actually add to the price.

It is not an expensive steel. Buck only charges an extra $12 for it on a custom.

I guess if you love that AG blade coating and yellow emblem enough to pay that outrageous Cabela's price, though......have fun.

:)
 
BG42EDGE said:
I guess if you love that AG blade coating and yellow emblem enough to pay that outrageous Cabela's price, though......have fun.

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Ahemm. Aren't you the one who paid an "outrageous" price for that Cabelas 50th anniversary model that isn't all that different from a buffalo/jasper arrow 110 that was out a couple years ago for a fraction of the price?? :D
 
No......I'm sure I'd remember if I did a crazy thing like that! I haven't bought any Cabela's knives lately.

Actually, I've just got the one AG 110 and I bought that years ago on points. I don't anticipate buying any more S30V in this lifetime. I haven't found it to be much different than the 420HC.

Like I said before, Buck charges an extra $12 or so on the customs for S30V and, frankly, I don't even see that much difference in the steel.

I simply refuse to pay outrageous prices. Just say no.

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BG42EDGE said:
No......I'm sure I'd remember if I did a crazy thing like that! I haven't bought any Cabela's knives lately.

Actually, I've just got the one AG 110 and I bought that years ago on points. I don't anticipate buying any more S30V in this lifetime. I haven't found it to be much different than the 420HC.

Like I said before, Buck charges an extra $12 or so on the customs for S30V and, frankly, I don't even see that much difference in the steel.

I simply refuse to pay outrageous prices. Just say no.

:)
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What were you using that S30V blade for BG that gives you the same edge life as 420HC? I use mine for skinning Deer, 420HC = 1.5 deer then the blade needs a new edge, 5 deer and the S30V was still razor sharp. If you don't like then don't buy it....more for me;). I tell you what BG I'll send you a brand new 420HC 110 and you can send me that AG 110 you don't like....now thats a win for both of us!
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jb4570
 
Sounds like you had a really dull 420HC and an S30V that had been transformed into a Vorpal Blade.

:D

Anecdotal evidence is non-admissible for a good reason......too many variables.

Do any of the scientific tests verify your amazing results?

I haven't seen any that do, but if you have any I'd be happy to see them.

Sorry, you'll have to offer a Three-Dotter in excellent condition to trade for my AG 110.

:)
 
BG42EDGE said:
Sounds like you had a really dull 420HC and an S30V that had been transformed into a Vorpal Blade.

:D

Anecdotal evidence is non-admissible for a good reason......too many variables.

Do any of the scientific tests verify your amazing results?

I haven't seen any that do, but if you have any I'd be happy to see them.

Sorry, you'll have to offer a Three-Dotter in excellent condition to trade for my AG 110.

:)
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Now thats funny BG, all the knives I take into the woods are hair popping sharp. So the 420HC had the same edge as the S30V. Scientific...lol, real life field testing works just fine for me. A 3 dot 110 is 440C not the 420HC you compair S30V too. Come on....you know you are a closet S30V lover;).
jb4570
 
Real-life field testing would be great......but six deer would not constitute real "testing." Life, yes. Real, no. It's not scientific, it's not verifiable and it's useful to only one person.

That's what's called "anecdotal evidence."

Too many variables----and meaningless in terms of coming to a conclusion about the steel in question.

If I loved S30V I'd carry it more often.....it's just ok. I tolerate it.

The absolute best feature of S30V is that it can be sold cheap (I said "can be"....obviously Cabela's is milking it ruthlessly) and people can feel they're carrying a great steel.

So it does great good in the marketplace. It's good for the economy. People buy it. It's a popular "sort of" premium that is good for both manufacturer and customer as long as everybody keeps believing in it.

Let's give it a few more years. Will it stand the test of time? Jury's still out.

No, I don't want to trade it for a $25 knife. If you want to trade me an equal condition Three-Dot 440C for it, though......it's yours in a heartbeat. Send pictures.

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I bought the first ag 110 available to me in 2004,its never been sharpened yet,only light stropping on the factory edge,hard to believe,its done at least 14 deer(not all mine)I managed to not cut into bones and never had to work the original edge back into shape.
 
Thanks, Razor......I have heard that type of thing before.

The internet is full of information about S30V and many, like yourself, seem to think that S30V edges are vulnerable to damage from contact with bone or other hard surfaces.

That's one of the reasons I have a lot more confidence in other steels.

I need an all-around, tough steel that I can feel confident with in all cutting tasks--one that will not lose its edge if the cutting gets real nasty.

My main knife is a Four-Dot 112 and I've found it to be reliable and trustworthy and I don't have to worry about hurting it.

The 425MOD may not be a high-tech powder steel, but it's apparently tougher than powder.

;)
 
I have had almost identical results as JB with my deer doins.

420 vs S30v.

But we know how you are BG, if you can't read it in 5 different scientific journals, you won't believe it anyhow.. :p

digging through the antique 110 box to see how many 3 dotters are in there..
 
Pick a real good one.

:D

Don't need five scientific journals......but a couple real tests would be nice. If all the glowing anecdotal reports are true, there must be a few tests to back them up.

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BG42EDGE said:
Pick a real good one.

:D

Don't need five scientific journals......but a couple real tests would be nice. If all the glowing anecdotal reports are true, there must be a few tests to back them up.



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It would be nice if we could know what results BUCK got if they did any testing on their C.A.T.R.A.
machine as they offer several models in both 420hc and S30V steels.
That would be a great apples to apples comparison of the two steels.
 
Well, the CATRA measures only one type of cutting as far as I know.

That's really not a good test of all-around performance--meaning cutting hard substances as well as soft.

I'm sure that S30V did somewhat better than 420HC on CATRA, but nowhere near the astounding 600 percent PLUS better that JB45-70 got in his "test."

;)
 
I'll take jb4570's and Pack Rat's real life accessments over those of someone in a white lab coat anyday.
 
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